St. Francis (From Whom the New Pope Takes His Name)

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When popes chose a name, it is to describe the values and the calling that Pope believes God has asked him to live and promote. Since there has never been another Pope Francis, it is clear that the new Holy Father seeks to emulate St. Francis of Assisi.

Beautiful, blessed choice! in my opinion.

 

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There are two feature films as well. One stars Bradford Dillman. The other is called Brother Sun, Sister Moon.
Do you think he will advocate humane treatment of animals, or take a stand on global warming?

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There are two feature films as well. One stars Bradford Dillman. The other is called Brother Sun, Sister Moon.
Do you think he will advocate humane treatment of animals, or take a stand on global warming?

 

Maybe, B16 already diiscussed our responsibility as stewards of the natural world. I look forward to strength through orthodox example and evangelization in love and compassion.

 

The name is indeed a touching choice. Not sure in how far Francis of Assisi can be described as "orthodox" though. However, let's pray the Pope lives up to his namesake.

 

It's a sop to the Italians from a South American Jesuit who came second to Ratzinger last time out.

 

who just happens to be ethnically Italian.

 

I'm sure he's a good pick. God does watch over these things.

 

I like the fact that he's a jesuit. a sign of the church adapting to a secular world, perhaps. either way, they're mostly good souls, the jesuits. not afraid to get their hands dirty in good works.

 

It's just another family business where nepotism rules.

 

I guess you know I am a Catholic and my wife is Lutheran. When we heard "white smoke" we switched on the TV. While we had to wait we spoke a little about what the name of the new pope could be. I said the people in the internet would prefer the name "Leo" - because this name has only three letters. And she said: "What do you think about Franciscus? Would be a nice name". I said "Franciscus? To remember Saint Francis? Saint Francis was a layman - he spoke with the animals and he fought for the poor. But never a pope was called Franciscus in history. I don't think this will happen." And I told her the story what had happened when Franciscus came to the pope in his time. The pope loved him - but it were different worlds. You are for sure able to understand my confusion when I heard what the french Cardinal said after the "habemus pappam". I thought first I have problems with my ears. Did he really say "Francesco" or something like this - did he? ... He did ... My wife "knew" it ... unbelievable ... good grieve ...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LSaCtISvoh0

 

Wife always knows best.

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Yeah....not.

 

He was more orthodox than the leaders of the Church in his time. That's why God asked him to rebuild his house.

 

everything of conclave is closed door

Someone started a rumor and you repeated it.

cute

 

he was like me, knowing nature is far more important than theology

Roger Bacon, is one of the initial friars and was imprisoned for being honest with scientific evidence. He published items that support scientific pursuits especially on light. He was a direct, from Francis.

Roger is one of my favorite catholics and perhaps even family members (i be a bacon bit).

Francis gift was not religion but humility and science which practically contradicts the mentality of every catholic on this forum.

 

Saint Francis was not a scientist - he was spiritually able to communicate with God and His word of creation. Roger Bacon is also very very impressing - but in a completly other way.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwXhHGXejs4

 

Sounds like he is making an attempt at maintaining his humility--riding in the Cardinal bus not the papal limo, dressed down for his introduction, using the smaller cross, etc.

It seems close to impossible tho to maintain as he will have everyone at his beck-and-call, be surrounded with much pomp & grandeur, and everyone wanting to kiss his ring or get his blessing. Something the 1st century Peter didnt have to contend with, as he was surrounded with 'persecution,' which as Paul (his thorn in the flesh being persecutions wherever he went ) also incurred, and said was denied 3 times when he prayed to have removed but which was shown to him to keep in from elevating himself with the grand visions given unto him.

 

google a bit on St Francis and science and see what comes up.

I know Roger was his Friar and many hav written how committed and disobedient to 'church' for the good of mankind

i know it is hard for people to realize that some people within the church, over time, have exceeded and contributed to knowledge, that many of church are too lazy to learn.

This is a perfect example.................. ie... St Francis was the closest saint to science, that most any church ever had.

 

Where the Roman Catholic denomination is 'missing it' is in regards to all of the pomp and grandeur including land ownership and millions in the bank. They were elevated materially in the Roman Empire and incorporated the OT Jewish priesthood and the Temple into their Masses.

Scripture says that "the things on earth are copies of the things in heaven" (talking about the Temple & Holy of Holies in particular: as the cherubim, the incense, the candle sticks, the unleavened show bread, etc. are described spiritually in the throne room of God by visions of Ezekiel, John, etc.)

And so the RCC has made throne rooms on earth in their churches, which may be considered as being OK, altho much of the wealth was taken from the poor thru history; but can one actually say that Jesus,who walked the earth as a servant and as a common person, but who now sits at the right hand of the Father, would approve of today's pomp and elevation of mankind as is seen in the RCC?! He came & preached being a servant while on this earth---'our' trip to the throne room comes after our earthly service and with the resurrection...

Scripture says to "live our lives beyond reproach." All the grandeur & wealth is NOT above reproach...this will always bring criticism upon their org.

 

Bishadi--people don't understand what you mean by "science" and that's why they don't understand what you are trying to say. I think I understand what you're saying, and I actually agree with the "ultimate reality" of things that you attempt to express in your posts (although we disagree greatly on some of the details of that ultimate reality). Thing is, most people aren't as patient, nor will they wade through all your bluster to find the kernel in the (*)(*)(*)(*)-pile.

 

No - because it is nonsense to do so. Another question: Why do you not break your chains? Confusion helps nothing - you need clearness.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KUDs8KJc_c

 

On the contrary. I collated strands of evidence and formed a hypothesis. I don't need to be told what to think by others. For example, everyone assumes that St Francis influenced his choice of nom de plume, but the founding of the Jesuits lies with Francis Xavier...

 

Then what's a franciscan?

they were not THE catholic church, they were a bunch of brainy dudes combining the reasoning behind beliefs/ritual within a philosophical to natural application. Some dont realize that it is that humility found in his assistance to the pour and piety that combined with the pursuit of truth.

Keep in mind that combining information is how knowledge evolves. People like him assist people in understanding what personal commitment can do. Then to combine theological beliefs with a reasoning of why it is good, can be understood by people like you and me. Kind of like comprehending that circumcision was for health reasons by pharoah order. Or even like no eating pork (no refrigeration), so folk dont get sick.

i have my own funny ones too. For example: we all can walk on water.























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Or St. Francis Xavier (an early Jesuit), the patron saint of Missionaries. He was a missionary to Asia (primarily India, Indonesia, and Japan). Vatican observers I've heard think he was giving homage to both.

 

Good point. Especially since he is a Jesuit. However, if it was meant to be ONLY Francis Xavier, I think he'd have included Xavier to make that clear. I hope it is a dual meaning--We need both the evangelical spiritual humility and doggedness of Francis of Assisi, and the breadth of evangelical missionary work of Francis Xavier!