Stockholm Endures 100% Spike in Covid Cases as Third Wave Hits

That's not entirely fair because Sweden has a substantially bigger and more urbanized population than those other neighboring countries, and it also has a much larger migrant population, who don't always follow the rules/protocols as rigidly (partly due to their culture).

 

Oh please, I don't think the king has any real opinion of his own, he's just parroting what he reads in the papers and sees on TV.

 

Which rules are immigrants not following but native Swedes are following? Little odd given that Sweden is highlighted as the country to follow by the no-lockdowners because Sweden supposedly have no rules

And now let's look at the population density of the major cities in US, Finland and Sweden:
Helsinki pop density: 7736 sqm
Stockholm pop density: 11802 sqm
New York pop density: 27000 sqm

So pop density from 7736 to 11802 gave a 10 fold increase in deaths per million. Now extrapolate that increase when used for Stockholm to New York would give an estimate in excess of 40 fold increase in deaths per million on Sweden's rate or in other words 40,000 deaths per million for New York. Current deaths per million for New York is 2500. And the reason for this massive decrease is lock downs

 

I don't think you understand Sweden well, because their society has a strong sense of duty and social obligation, and if the people are told they should do something they will do it. Like traditionally everyone picked up all their tash in a park, or goes to ridiculously meticulous lengths to make sure everything is recycled. Or if they're a guest they will typically go to stringent lengths to make sure they clean up after themselves before they leave. The people are very reluctant to step out of line from the crowd.
Almost like ants in an ant colony, they exert strict self control over themselves to collectively function as part of the community group. Huge levels of civic involvement too.

In many situations if you want to get a flat in an apartment block, all the others living in that block have to meet with you and approve you. Just to give you some idea. It's a very collective mentality, and you don't stick out or you can be shunned and disapproval will be expressed against you. Rules are enforced without laws, and the society regulates itself.

 

Damn right and will again.

 

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You haven't addressed any of the points regarding the virus which is the topic of this thread

 

My post was not off topic.

This discussion is really about whether mandatory laws are needed, isn't that true?
Because Sweden is being used as an example.

 

Sorry, that's still not really relevant, and is too specific to really give us any idea of the larger situation.

There's not necessarily an easy way to look this up in the statistics.

Huge numbers of people that live immediately outside the city too, or in the surrounding area. One county can have many more big cities than another. Maybe if you look up urban and rural population percents that might help give a better idea in comparing two countries.

 

You wrote that migrants were not following laws regarding Covid as the reason for Sweden's high death rate and when asked what rules were they not following you started writing about Swedes cleaning up after visiting people. And you ignored the fact that Sweden is being used as an example to follow because they supposedly don't have any rules so how can immigrants be breaking those non-existant rules!

 

How can that not be relevant when you are the one who brought that up in an attempt to exonerate Sweden's death rate compared with their immediate neighbours figures yet when the same comparison is made with New York which has a much higher pop density in urban and rural areas that comparison is not relevant?

 

Had you READ the piece she posted you'd see why some people promote that model, still. I understand that there is a group that Deifies the CDC narrative and bow before it, but they never seem to be willing to engage on the peripheral impacts. 2.6 million deaths, globally, IF the reported numbers can be trusted. We're about 18 months or so into this and as someone else said, this virus is not going away, it is here to stay, just like the flu variants. Notice how we had a miracle over the past flu season?

Compare the 2.6 million to the hundreds of millions who face actual starvation because of the devastating economic disruptions. The social and healthcare costs of the lockdowns are VERY real and destructive. People are getting tired of being preached to by the Apostles of Fauci.
H1N1, 1918-1920, killed an estimated 50-100 million. In two years, from the flu only.
Have you noticed that anyone who challenges the official narrative in any way gets mocked or shamed? There's a reason for that and people are beginning to wake up to it.

 

I'm not able to look this up right now but if you want to look up the per capita death rate of New York City compared to Stockholm, you are welcome to show us the numbers.

(If you are willing too, please take into account Stockholm's older demographics as well)

 

Terrible mistake, and even now they are clocking 10 times the new infections compared to Finland (5000 in SWE, 500 in FIN, 400 in NOR and 350 in DEN)

 

Another reason that's not entirely fair is that, right now, Sweden is exiting from the winter season, since the majority of the population of Sweden is located a little bit further south than the majority of the population in Finland, and at these far latitudes, relatively small differences in latitude end up having very significant effects on timing of the seasons.

I know that seems like a stupid made-up reason, but it is one small factor.

If you look at the statistics for Germany right now, they are beginning to experience an uptick too, this time of year.

This idea of only comparing Sweden to Finland and Norway is a little bit of selective cherry-picking.

 

Sweden = 5000. Denmark (just South of Sweden)=350. Stockholm and Helsinki and Oslo are pretty much exactly same latitude.

If you are going to compare Sweden to another country, there can't be any better comparisons than their fellow Nordic neighbors.

 

Denmark is smaller country (also separated by islands), it has a smaller population pool with which the infection can sustain itself. Denmark has also really cracked down on immigration at this time.

Visitors going right across the border from Germany are unlikely to spread the infection because there's nothing much out there, and that land area of Jutland (the little peninsula) is not where most of the nation's population lives, and is not that densely populated, and again, this is separated by water and a chain of little islands from where Copenhagen is. It's a natural buffer slowing spread of disease.
There's also the bridge directly connecting Copenhagen to southern Sweden, which is a hotspot, but not many people commute across that bridge. It's really more like two totally different worlds than a megapolis spanning across the bridge. (language barrier is one factor)

 

Immigration has nothing to do with it. Denmark is connected to Sweden with a bridge, so the "its an island" argument is totally invalid. Iceland IS an island (1 new case). So, Norway, Denmark and Finland have very few infections, and Sweden has more than 10 times in comparison. It is what is is broheem.