Students around the world skip school to protest and demand action on climate change

Not eating horse burgers is the environmental equivalent of drilling a gas well and burning the gas off at the wellhead indefinitely.

Not consuming this resource domestically wastes an existing resource, results in increased use of fossil fuels to move live animals out of the country and between traders and buyers, subjects horses that are exported to unnecessary stress and injury, and suppresses the market to the point owners starve animals or turn them out on highways.

Also, excess wild horses on public lands are trucked half way across the country, put in dry lots, and fed on our dime until someone maybe adopts them. Foals born in captivity are taken from mares and starve to death if some kind soul doesn’t take pity on them.

If these horses were used for food they would be an asset to the taxpayer, offset other meat production environmentalists hate, and reduce stress and abuse on the animals themselves.

 

The only thing that teens have going for them is idealism. Unfortunately, they are notoriously inexperienced and uninformed about everything in life.

 

I'm not interested in climate change denialists. We got 400.000 years of data. Nothing like this has happened before. The amount of C02 increase is just incredible. And it is going hand in hand with out industrial age.

 

The only guess work is done by climate change denialists who think the CO2 increase that is skyrocketing since our industrial age is just a weird coincidence.

 

It kills me that people still believe in ice core BS.
Ice core analysis is based on the idea that each year a new layer of ice was accumulated on the top. That assumes that each year is going to be as cold or colder than the prior one. But a warm year can melt or evaporate whole decades of data and only coldest years will persist. Therefore deeper layer will always be indicative of colder climate while top layer will show the warming.
Ice melts at 0 degrees C and it can still evaporate as ice when in dry environment, and guess what - both polar regions are technically deserts, with very dry air.
So, you don’t need to read anything from those ice cores as it’s obvious what data they will show you.
Why the so-called “climate scientists” still use ice cores is beyond me. This whole fallacy is still alive due to liberal crowd who crucifies everyone questioning these methods.

 

The Co2 can be.... carbon dated.

 

Carbon dating goes up to 50,000 years...

 

That is not really true

 

Yes it is.
C14 halves its count every 5700 years.
So, by 57,000 years you have effectively halved the amount of C14 in your sample 10 times. What happens to a number when you half it 10 times? Do you have the equipment accurate enough to detect the ever decreasing amount?
You don’t, and that’s why nobody treats carbon dating past 50k years as accurate data.
Did you miss that from climate scientists briefing? I’m sorry to break your bubble, but ice core dating and sampling is horse sh!t.

 

From wiki:
the oldest dates that can be reliably measured by this process date to around 50,000 years ago, although special preparation methods occasionally permit accurate analysis of older samples.

 

Yeah, maybe +/- 1,000 years.
Your cant keep halving the amount every 5700 years indefinitely and hope to get an accurate measurement by 100,000 years.

I see you ran out of argument.
This is a perfect indication of how easy it is to dispute global warming if you have some skills in chemistry and physics. Those who dispute it don’t lack education - it’s those who support it lack the knowledge and are afraid to question things. The whole scientific concept is about doubting everything you see around you yet global warming turned into some form of a religion where most scientists are afraid to truly question it.

 

Yes, idealism is wonderful thing...and by the time they can vote they will be more than just idealistic

 

Oh I wouldn't know where you got that info from. Than again... they dated rocks into the billions of years old. And the problem of you questioning things is... you are questioning the wrong people. Just because I don't have the knowhow, doesn't mean it does not exist. I didn't write them scientific articles. And if you can't produce any scientific paper disputing something, than claims made just stand firm. The burden of debunking.... doesn't lie at the person who proved a claim.

 

Datings from billions of years ago have huge range of error, usually +/- 1billion years out of 4.5 billion. In real science, like chemistry or physics no one would treat such measurements seriously when your numbers depend on live human making it to and from the orbit.

This is the problem with climate change - once everyone runs out of answers they refer you to some authority who “supposedly” knows more.
Sadly, never met that authority in person or online.
Usually you end up with an angry crowd who say you are not the smartest guy on the planet, so you must take it on faith, because you are stupid. Pretty much take it on faith - same sh!t you’d hear from Jehovah witnesses that knock on my door every week.
If you can’t explain it - why do you believe it? It’s obvious you don’t understand it - so why do you claim scientific method when in reality you just take it on faith?

 

I suppose one could argue that Hitler was an idealist. His ideal: Serving the state. As well as Lenin and Stalin. Their ideal? Serving society. And Pol Pot and his ideal of farming for the good of all. And the environmentalist and their ideal of serving Gia. And the Saint, Mother Theresa and her ideal of keeping the poor in misery and pain in the name of suffering for Jesus.

Makes one wonder—are they any idealists left whose ideal is freedom? Liberty? Reaching for your best to be your best to flourish happily, successfully, joyously? Why yes. They are alive and well in Hong Kong fighting the CPC in the name of Lady Liberty.

And of course, one of the greatest idealist of all time, Ayn Rand:

“In order to survive, man has to discover and produce everything he needs, which means that he has to alter his background and adapt it to his needs. Nature has not equipped him for adapting himself to his background in the manner of animals. From the most primitive cultures to the most advanced civilizations, man has had to manufacture things; his well-being depends on his success at production. The lowest human tribe cannot survive without that alleged source of pollution: fire. It is not merely symbolic that fire was the property of the gods which Prometheus brought to man. The ecologists are the new vultures swarming to extinguish that fire.”—http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/ecology-environmental_movement.html

Disagreeing with Climate Change—Yaron Brook


Before one starts praising and admiring idealism, it would be wise to ask what ideas the idealism is propagating.

 

Ha!

The hysterical claims that life as we know it will end at some date in the future that the climate scientists pulled out of a hat is pure speculation and frar mongering

And all for the sake of increased funding for their cause

 

Yeah, wanting to save the environment takes away freedoms....let’s emit more gases, let’s get more plastic in.Our oceans ..of course it’s a conspiracy..like Hitler and Stalin..Oy!

 

And indifference to the environment should concern us all.
And the worst thing is the uneducated actually believe that climate scientists must be part of a conspiracy. I do have to laugh, I bet you accept god as fact

 

And big time, and I know it, and more importantly, so do you--referring to environmentalists seeking the destruction of "freedom" and the "creative mind"--but it's not a conspiracy, it's mass hysteria.

 

Actually, thank goodness I’m not paranoid to believe all the top scientists from all over the world are all part of a mass conspiracy..and not dumb enough to not realize the dangers of what people are doing to the environment

 

What's amazing is your appeal to authority and assuming they are the top scientists and the final authority. Who says? You? Any human beings that believe the creative genius of the human mind will lead to the death and destruction of humanity, spirituality, the earth, and perhaps the whole fabric of the universe, when over the last 100 plus years we've soared the heavens, touched the sky, lighted the dark, warmed the cold, and explored the abyss, is, at best, delusional; at worst, a human demon seeking the destruction of all human life--and if they are scientists as well, they have betrayed their souls.

 

I am assuming they are the top scientists because they are. They come from the top universities and have studied the environment for years and years but of course you don’t believe them but you’ll believe the buffoon in the White House. Obviously you know more than the scientists so I really suggest you share your information with them. I think what is saddest of all is the lack of wanting to have this serious topic explored. It’s like the smokers who blame the scientist said smoking is bad for them and accused them of all kinds of stuff like you’re doing

 

Oh, you're the final authority on who is the final authority. With all due respect, their position proves they are neither correct nor innocently wrong--and it is inexcusable, as well as unforgivable-- the job of the scientist is to study the "what is", not predict doomsday prophecies of the "what will never be".

BTW: I'm not a Trump supporter--I'm way too radical to support a pragmatic conservative nationalist.

 

Climate scientists are no less mercenary than any other person in our society

They know which side their bread is buttered on

 

scientists are not the final authority nor do they give their final study because nothing is final yet.But yet you assume those who have absolutely no studies and science are the true word when they say all this is a hoax.Remember those scientists who studied “what is” about inhaling tobacco? I guess they should not have predicted what many like you said… “What will never be.”