Study: More gun crime and murder in states with more gun owners

"RESULTS:
Higher levels of firearm ownership were associated with higher levels of firearm assault and firearm robbery. There was also a significant association between firearm ownership and firearm homicide, as well as overall homicide.

"CONCLUSIONS:
The findings do not support the hypothesis that higher population firearm ownership rates reduce firearm-associated criminal perpetration. On the contrary, evidence shows that states with higher levels of firearm ownership have an increased risk for violent crimes perpetrated with a firearm. Public health stakeholders should consider the outcomes associated with private firearm ownership."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26091930

Gun ownership is not a good thing for society.

 

Molon labe. Do the studies quantifiy any good use for ownership, or just assign a negative factor?

 

Your study is flawed because it fails to consider other factors that contribute to gun related violence: demographics, poverty, unemployment, climate, neighboring states etc.

Meanwhile, Kennesaw, GA, for example, requires that everyone be armed & has not had a murder in 6 years.

 

Criminal ownership of Guns is not a good thing for society.

That is Why it is prohibited.
Next.....

 

The relationship between crime and rates of gun ownership was studied. If the researchers had found lower crime rates in states with lots of guns then that would have indicated a good use for guns. However, they found the opposite.

 

So states with high gun ownership rates have more poverty and unemployment? What evidence is there for that? How would that necessarily lead to more gun crime and murder?

Cherry picking fail and you are incorrect about a murder not being committed within the last 6 years.

 

Another of dozens of troll posts with no real meaningful information.

 

LOL, you just described your own post.

 

Re:

I don't know but a valid study would consider those factors & make an effort to compare states with similar demographics, neighbors, climates, & similar poverty & unemployment levels.

At any rate, it is as logically flawed to compare dissimilar American states as it is dissimilar countries to America.
One can only logically compare America to America, year by year. In doing so, America's homicide rate remains at record lows(1)

Meanwhile, it's pretty commonly known that areas with higher poverty & unemployment levels have higher crime rates.

Re:

If high gun ownership levels caused high homicide levels, there would be no "cherries" to "pick". In other words, high homicide rates would be universal among ALL locations with high gun ownership levels.
The fact that there are ANY places with high gun ownership levels & low homicide rates means that your study is flawed.



(1) "FBI: US Homicide Rate at 51-Year Low"
https://mises.org/wire/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low

Public Unaware that Homicide Rates Have Fallen

EXCERPT "As Pew has reported in recent years, in fact, the American public is "unaware" that the homicide rate in the United States has fallen by 49 percent over the past twenty years. And while Pew doesn't report on it, it's also a safe bet that the public is also unaware that homicide rates have collapsed as total gun ownership in the United States has increased significantly."CONTINUED

 

Correlation doesn't imply causation. It could be that higher crime rates motivate buying more guns.

 

Maybe, but shouldn't having more guns then reduce crime? That's what we're always told anyway, right? That higher population firearm ownership rates reduce firearm-associated criminal perpetration?!

 

Baloney.

Top 10 states for Firearm Ownership

Alaska
Arkansas
Idaho
West Virginia
Wyoming
Montana
New Mexico
Alabama
North Dakota
Hawaii

Six of those states in bold have homicide rates lower than the national average. Some of them less than HALF the national average.

You know the difference with these high gun ownership states?

Minority violence. Not guns.

 

Then one may conclude that disarming law enforcement would also reduce gun violence. Right?

 

gun banners often see honest gun owners as more pernicious than armed criminals since we vote against their leftist heroes.

 

Pure hypocrisy, what's the conclusion ? Being murdered with a knife is better than being murdered by a gun ? Compare raw homicide rate or nothing, and then you will see that part of the USA with legal guns have most of the time less homicide than no gun states.

Liberal would accept three much more murder if everybody were murdered in good ways (understand : without a gun, a stick, a knife, a car, only murder with guns are bad).

 

So by your logic if one smoker exists who doesn't have lung cancer then any study which claims a connection between lung cancer and smoking must be flawed. I don't think so.

 

The study already addressed and ruled out that possibility.

 

Straw man and unsupported claim about legal guns being correlated with less homicide.

 

A non sequitur.

 

So do we disarm law enforcement?

 

There is nothing, absolutely nothing, to be found in the study being presented on the part of yourself, that would actually show there is a connection between legal firearms ownership, and the commission of any particular type of crime in the general area. There is no evidence that the crimes being committed are the fault of legal firearm owners, or are in any way in response to legal firearms ownership. The so-called "study" is nothing more than a poor attempt at the compare and contrast substitution fallacy, suggesting that Action A directly relates to Reaction B, but doing absolutely nothing to show that the two are in any way connected to one another.

Beyond that matter, private firearms ownership does not have to present an impact on the commission of crimes in order to be justified and legal for the public to freely engage in. It is not the job of private citizens, or of constitutional rights, to prevent crimes from being committed.

 

Already discussed long ago.

The study has a major flaw in that it uses voluntary survey data to determine firearm ownership. Gallup, Pew, etc. have put out articles explaining that voluntary firearm data is extremely unreliable.

And for the next major flaw, the study used "a hypothesized relationship to firearm ownership" to relate crime data to firearm use in a crime, and then applied that to all the jurisdictions which do not report whether a firearm was used in an individual crime.

Failure #3 - the study looked at states, and states do not drive crime rates. Large cities drive the crime rates. Violent crime is very highly correlated with city size. This is a fatal flaw on the study.

Failure #4 - follows Failure #3, the study associated each states firearm ownership rates with neighboring states. Violent crime is not correlated with neighboring states. Another fatal flaw.

Total FAIL.

 

LOL, you did not even read the study. The study DOES NOT address that issue. Not at all.

 

You have misunderstood my argument.

I am simply asserting what FBI statistics support:

There are more guns in America than ever before in our nation's history, yet America's homicide rate remains at record lows(1)
At the same time, accidental gun deaths are at a record low.(2)


(1) "FBI: US Homicide Rate at 51-Year Low"
https://mises.org/wire/fbi-us-homicide-rate-51-year-low

Public Unaware that Homicide Rates Have Fallen

EXCERPT "As Pew has reported in recent years, in fact, the American public is "unaware" that the homicide rate in the United States has fallen by 49 percent over the past twenty years. And while Pew doesn't report on it, it's also a safe bet that the public is also unaware that homicide rates have collapsed as total gun ownership in the United States has increased significantly."CONTINUED


(2) "Gun sales at all-time high, accidental gun deaths at record low"
https://www.onenewsnow.com/science-...time-high-accidental-gun-deaths-at-record-low

EXCERPT "Recently published statistics show that as gun sales in the United States have hit record highs, accidental gun fatalities have simultaneously sunk to record lows.
The announcement by the National Safety Council (NSC) has taken ammunition away from the gun control activists, who have argued for years that fatalities and injuries in America increase as the number of firearms in citizen’s hands rises."CONTINUED