Study Shows Significant Link Between Mercury and Autism

Anti-vaxxers and conspiracy theories... Have a nice life. Over and out.

 

What you are missing:

- we've had hundreds of millions of vaccinations of individuals of all ages. Even just in the USA we have large numbers of millions of vaccinations for flu EVERY YEAR. And, there is NO EVIDENCE of ANY of the claims of detrimental affects claimed by anti-vaxers.

- the Wakefield science is STILL CLAIMED by anti-vaxers when it is well known to have been faked. Any continued cites of that faked study demonstrate NO INTEREST IN THE TRUTH.

 

What do you think of the video that's in post #169?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...cury-and-autism.579730/page-7#post-1072315941

 

Yes, our vaccines perform so well that Congress has granted tort immunity to the manufacturers of "our" vaccines.

Our vaccines work so well that it has been determined that there is a relationship between vaccines and ADHD and general health in the study of 2500+ pediatric patients in the practice of Dr. Paul Thomas.

 

Obvilusly, this is a seriously sad story.

But, I don't see any scinece in it at all. They claim the vaccination gave their kids autism. There is no evidence of that. That's all I see.

There is no reason to believe that sad stories of a disease should override the fact that there is no epidemiloligical evidience against vaccines as being causal -even though every year MILLIONS of Americans get vaccinated.

Let's remember that existing vaccines have been reformulated for various reasons, with thimerosol and other compounds being eliminated or seriously reduced.

Just for one level of evidence that you can check out: If there were a correlation between vaccines and autism we would see those changes in vaccines make a difference in the rate of autism. And, none of those changes has affected the rate of autism in the US.

Let's remember that correlation is not proof of causation. But, anti-Vaxers can't even find just correlation!

I'm sure you can find lots of video of sad cases of autism.

But, you have NO EVIDENCE that those videos have anything to do with this topic.

 

Pediatric patients of Dr. Paul Thomas have had their records analyzed, and it's very interesting.

Groundbreaking study shows unvaccinated children are healthier than vaccinated children | Opinion | LifeSite (lifesitenews.com)

In this preliminary stage, they have been able to show a correlation between vaccines and the general health of the recipients.

Informed consent is the key for the parents.

CDC was charged with doing such a study years ago, but they kept kicking the can down the road and never did it.

The data shows a likely reason for their reluctance.

 

The question boils down to there being some sort of definition of what drug companies have to do before they ever sell a product. That definition is owned by the FDA.

Obviously, there is no possibility of drug companies assuring that there will never be a negative reaction to their product. That would require testing on every individual.

And, let's remember that drug companies can certainly be sued if there are indications of hiding results, not fully completing testing, or any other kind of malfeasance.

Your doctor guy also claims measels vaccine causes autism - something for which there is no evidence.

If your doctor found something real, then he could publish that - assuring duplicability, undergoing review for methodological problems, etc.

So far he's a steaming heap of claims without science.

 

Anybody who watches the video can see that this is serious evidence that the vaccines caused their autism. All three of the babies became autistic right after having received the vaccines.

Have you looked at any of this info?
http://www.politicalforum.com/index...cury-and-autism.579730/page-7#post-1072323272

 

Enjoy it while it lasts there is every possibility that rubbish like this will be taken down from the internet

 

What “serious evidence”?

You have a few claims, unverified and meanwhile there are millions upon millions of children vaccinated each year

 

You wouldn’t mind if they kept this claptrap to themselves but they suck others into the conspiracy and next thing you know there is a measles outbreak and a rise in post measles encephalitis. Isaw a case of that once - por wee thing was the floppiest child I have ever seen. I have also seen a case of measles induced pneumonia - lungs should NOT have the same density as liver tissue.


Severe complications in children and adults
Some people may suffer from severe complications, such as pneumonia (infection of the lungs) and encephalitis (swelling of the brain). They may need to be hospitalized and could die.


About 1 in 5 unvaccinated people in the U.S. who get measles hospitalized.


As many as 1 out of every 20 children with measles gets pneumonia, the most common cause of death from measles in young children.


About 1 child out of every 1,000 who get measles will develop encephalitis (swelling of the brain) that can lead to convulsions and can leave the child deaf or with intellectual disability.


Nearly 1 to 3 of every 1,000 children who become infected with measles will die from respiratory and neurologic complications.


Measles may cause pregnant women who have not had the MMR vaccine to give birth prematurely, or have a low-birth-weight baby.
https://www.cdc.gov/measles/symptoms/complications.html

 

I've read that it's a lot worse than they're telling us. I wished I'd saved the links.

I googled around and found this.

https://www.autismspeaks.org/autism-statistics
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In 2020, the CDC reported that approximately 1 in 54 children in the U.S. is diagnosed with an autism spectrum disorder (ASD), according to 2016 data.

• 1 in 34 boys identified with autism
• 1 in 144 girls identified with autism

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There are doctors that say vaccines are injuring children.

If You Think Your Kid's Vaccines are Safe, DON'T Watch This!



This merits some investigation.


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This is a must-see.

Vaxxed
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=vaxxed+&&view=detail&mid=021A691332C7170E6E80021A691332C7170E6E80&&FORM=VRDGAR&ru=/videos/search?q=vaxxed%20&qs=n&form=QBVDMH&sp=-1&pq=vaxxed%20&sc=6-7&sk=&cvid=49CCCF7F375042059BA618F37CD392C5


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Autism Statistics-Autism Epidemic Now Its 1 in 88 Kids and Evidence Points to Vaccines -.mp4
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...4EEBD8CF0E259FCA76864EE&view=detail&FORM=VIRE

 

Here's some more stuff.

https://safeminds.org/wp-content/uploads/autism-dx-prevalence-2018-fb.jpg
http://wellnessgospel.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/autism-b.jpg
http://whale.to/a/601484_344915472273749_917863447_n.jpg

https://www.bing.com/images/search?q=autism rates in usa vaccines&qs=n&form=QBIR&sp=-1&pq=autism rates in usa vaccines&sc=0-28&cvid=2EB4E8EE00B54618BBE823FCD0E0FF4E&first=1&tsc=ImageBasicHover

 

Oh cute, another anti-vaxxer spewing conspiracy theories! Have a nice life (and try not to hurt our offspring although Darwin wouldn't mind). Over and out.

 

I guess I should check myself for mercury.

 

What you are pointing to is not evidence that the vaccine had a negative imact on those triplets.

You can claim there was a correlation in time. But, correlation is NOT an indication of causation.

In searching for causation, please remember that the number of instances of autism have not changed even though vaccines have been reformulated many times, leaving the substances that anti-vaxers claim are the problem to no longer be used, or be used in highly limited cases and in trace amounts only.

If the results don't change even though the vaccines change, then you need to go searching for a different cuse.

Because that is CLEAR evidence that vaccines aren't to blame.

 

There's a statistical link. Something is obviously happening between the vaccine and the autism. The exact cause's not being clear doesn't mean we should ignore the statistical link. Knee-jerk dismissal of the possibility that the vaccines caused the autism in this case would be downright silly.

What do you think of this?
http://wellnessgospel.net/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/autism-b.jpg

There still may be something else in the vaccine that they didn't change that's causing the autism. You're jumping the gun here. You seem to just be concluding what you want to be true. You don't seem to be using the scientific method.
https://www.google.com/search?q=sci.....69i57j0l5.6666j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8


What do you think of this?

Review Of Critical Vaccine Studies 400 Important Scientific Papers Summarized 2
https://www.bing.com/videos/search?...-78&sk=&cvid=FB49EB8C5E3C4C55874C1862EC0032A3

 

Your first chart matches up pretty cleanly with the following:
“The DSM-III was revised in 1987, significantly altering the autism criteria. It broadened the concept of autism by adding a diagnosis at the mild end of the spectrum — pervasive developmental disorder-not otherwise specified (PDD-NOS) — and dropping the requirement for onset before 30 months.

Even though the manual did not use the word ‘spectrum,’ the change reflected the growing understanding among researchers that autism is not a single condition but rather a spectrum of conditions that can present throughout life.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.spectrumnews.org/news/evolution-autism-diagnosis-explained/amp

Our understanding of Autism has improved and the definition has been broadened. As such, it’s not surprising at all that we see more cases.

Ever buy a new car then start to notice that you see that car on the road more often? There were just as many before you bought the car.

 

if true were in trouble as many things we eat have way more mercury in them, this is where we need to target our concern, not at vaccines

"mercury in processed foods"

https://www.betternutrition.com/health-news/mercury-in-processed-foods/

 

I am not making the argument mercury in vaccines causes autism, etc. here. But we can’t equate ingesting a thing with injecting the same thing directly into tissue. If the two were equivalent, all vaccines could be administered orally and swallowing rattlesnake venom would always be fatal.

 

Please be sure to read DaveBN's post 193 on the growing definition of autism spectrum.

Please remember that if the accusations made by anti-Vax were correct (thimerisol, mercury, etc.) the RATE of autism should have decreased (after extracting those diagnosed with the broader spectrum symptoms). After all, those elements were removed or decreased to trace status.

If you could have shown that the decrease in mercury (or whatever) in vaccines caused FEWER cases, that would at least correlate. I don't see how you can claim that what you have even just correlates.

Please remember that there is a huge difference between correlation and causation. Even if you could find a correlation it would not indicate causation.

Yes, there could be some cause of autism spectrum that we don't know about. Obviously, that holds out hope for progress on autism.

The problem here is that you are not just claiming that such might exist - you are claiming that whatever it is can be found in vaccines even though you have absolutely no evidence.



Also, lets remember that vaccines save lives as well as improving the lives of the living. So, without evidence, you want to stop doing that! Doesn't it seem rational to suggest that before you decide to stop helping people in that way that maybe you should have some evidence?. How can you defend your direction as rational?

 

No excuse!

 

So you people think that three babies getting autism several hours after getting the vaccine is a coincidence.

Triplets All Became Autistic Just Hours After Receiving Pneumococcal Vaccine
https://www.brighteon.com/ff5f1030-c258-4f16-9822-e0e73639bfa7


What are the chances of this happening? One doesn't have to have taken a class in statistics to see the connection. It was obviously caused by the vaccine so that particular vaccine should be prohibited. In fact it was. Start watching the video at the 8:20 time mark.

In a case such as this one where there is an obvious statistical connection, the vaccine should be pulled immediately. They can figure out exactly how it caused the injury later.

 

So you have no actual response to the topic, right?

 

Another Democrat who has no response to the topic.