Supreme court rules against Muslims entering USA . Trump did it.

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you dont even know that the 13th Amendment outlawed slavery in the USA.

    LOL!!!!
     
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    Of course it is true that both world wars have started in Europe, but unfortunately your attempt here fails for many reasons.

    First of all, we have had only one war in Europe since 08.05.1945 ... the civil war in ex-Yugoslavia, which I also count the Kosovo war ... while a USA again since then worldwide in how many wars since then At the end of the Second World War ... wars of their own interest and not because they supported their European allies?

    Yes, we have problems in Europe, own problems ... but if even such an outrageous US President as the present attacks us verbally and with measures completely unjustified, then you wonder in the US that this insane guy is hated and before all that we fight back?
    If Trump were only concerned with the US and US internal issues, then that would not matter. Although the idiot chattered something of "America First", but you want to rip you Americans from A to Z you want to see, nor do you even want to know. That would also be your own problem and I would give it a crap around it ... only he tries to fool us and we see that and we react.
     
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    But why do not they be on the ban list and why does not the Trump government even think about doing it?

    Hezbollah, according to the United States and others, an Iran-funded terrorist organization, not only sits in Lebanon (and helps Assad in Syria), she is minister in the current government of Lebanon, and she has the most votes as a political party in the last elections Will receive more ... than so far.

    Now, please ask yourself why Trump puts Iran on the ban list to defend against terrorists, but not the country where the Iran-funded terrorist group comes from - Lebanon?
    Supposedly, because Lebanon meets the required criteria for the background papers before visa issuance ... but is this statement not totally ridiculous if the terrorists who should be prevented to enter the USA with the ban are part of the government of Lebanon?
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Apparently Germans don't recognize the Cold War when Germany was torn apart and millions died trying to end it or escape to freedom. Americans, again, saved their butts. Of course Europe is also involved in a war with Islamic terrorism, and in many areas the Muslims seem to be winning.

    Nonetheless, if Europeans want to have a trade war with the US I doubt many Americans will mind. It will be bad for everyone if it gets out of control but I think Trump has a better handle on it than any European leader.
     
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    Please read once again the reasoning of Trump, why he pronounced this ban against these countries.
    According to Trump, it is about preventing the entry of potential terrorists from the countries and NOT a ban for 7 selected, mostly hostile countries!
     
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    Fred C Dobbs Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're looking in the wrong places.

    The idea was to win a precedent in the Supreme Court. That's been accomplished. Now he can add or subtract ant country he chooses.
     
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    Yes, you protected us in the cold war ... but in the case of war, our country would have become the total battlefield, including nuclear weapons ... besides paying damned much money for protection and even today we pay the US bases heavily with our tax money!
    If you come with this argument, then show both sides of the coin and not just those that make you Americans look glorious and the other lesser!

    And no, we did not start the trade war, nor do we want it. The only one who wants him is the US - the Trump government!
    Who started the punitive tariffs on steel and aluminum, the US or Europe?
     
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    So now, with your message, are you confirming that Trump's whole, publicly told rationale was just a lie, and that it's about very different things from what he always told you Americans?
    Very interesting ...
     
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    Mind reading and/or any comment Trump made is irrelevant.

    WHY he used that law doesn't matter.

    He has the authority because congress gave him that authority.

    Your last sentence makes no sense. Yes, it is about preventing terrorists from entering the country. The reason those countries were banned is because the foreign government cannot be trusted not to approve their terrorists from traveling here.
     
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    Then again the question ... why are not Tunisia, Algeria and Marroko on the ban list? From these 3 countries come 80% of all terrorists!
    Because you trust the governing regimes and their authorities so much with the background check papers? Really cool performance that is provided there, even if they themselves with the fingerprints of Berlin assassin (Tunisians) could not being identified in his country, where he was on the "Wanted list" with stored fingerprints of him too.... when Germany asked them before the attack in matter of identiy check! And the USA trust them ...
    In reality these regimes there have their nose so deep in the ass of Washington hat they are rivaling Pinocchio! That si the reason!
     
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    They may be at some point.

    Don't forget that this was the first list, which was immediately challenged.

    Now that we have a SCOTUS ruling, I suspect the list will grow.

    That list of countries, by the way, was initially developed by Obama and his congress.
     
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    This with Obama I know ... I never defended Obama for these things so far. But where did he ban only and this very reasoned at that time? Iraq, when this country was really short before being conquered by ISIS!
     
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    The ban should not be countries, but rather all "Muslims".
     
  14. AlifQadr

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    In your dream Ronstar, ONLY IN YOUR DREAMs. I suggest that you read the text of the 13th Amendment. I will post the text AGAIN:

    The emboldened clause is what was used when Parcham Farm was in full operation. If the federal or any of the state governments wanted to, they could re-institute to chain gang system. OH yeah, some of the states DO have chain gangs. Before you move to haughtily proclaim that others are not knowledgeable about what they post, I suggest that you investigate what said person posts. I recall that when I was going to high school in New Jersey, there were males in white uniforms with a blue stripe down the out-hem of their uniforms along the highways picking up trash and other debris.
     
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    the 13th amendment made slavery illegal.

    I win, you lose. :)
     
  16. AlifQadr

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    You have difficulty comprehending what you read, don't you? I like the way you did not include the text of 13A so here it is again:

    Keep living in the fantasy world of "The Best and the Brightest", I choose to exist in reality.
     
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    are you saying the 13th Amendment did not ban slavery in the USA??

    LOL!!!!!

    :p
     
  18. AlifQadr

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    NO IT DID NOT being that slavery and/or involuntary servitude can be used as penalty for a crime a person is duly found guilty of. By the way, I did not author the 13th Amendment, I only state what the amendment contains so I cannot take credit for what said amendment contains.
     
  19. Ronstar

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    so you're saying according to the Constitution and Federal law, slavery is still legal?

    wow, the Alt-Right is really starting to scare me
     
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    Stop causing your knickers to twist. This insane partisan mentality obviously has caused mental deficiency. 13A openly states that a person has to be duly convicted if the judiciary wants to utilize slavery as a penalty for the crime that was committed. Even though in the past, such things as vagrancy, and searching for food items in the rubbish has been used after Union troops were withdrawn from former slave holding states, it is highly unlikely that the same will occur in this day and time. Even with the modern day usage of "chain-gangs", those sentenced are paid for their labor, as minimal as it is, it is still not technically slavery because of the transfer of compensation beyond three hots and a cot. Still in all, if a state wants to sentence someone to slavery, it would more than likely have to be a serious offense, such as murder, rape, espionage, terrorism, etc.
     
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    sorry homey, the 13th Amendment abolished slavery in the USA.

    the Alt-Right fantasies will go nowhere
     
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    Firstly, I am not your "homey" and what does that mean anyway? Secondly, if you cannot accept the reality that slavery was not and is not completely outlawed in these United States of [North] America.
     
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    I'm surprised he was able to get that he did. Hopefully, its just a step in the right direction.
     
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    Of course Im quite prepared to make the German people look 'glorious' but how is that possible? What have they done for the past century that would justify such a compliment?

    Europe has already had too many breaks from the American people. We'll see how it all works out but my money is on Donald Trump.
     
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    Again, you seem to be deliberately misreading what is being said.
     

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