Supreme Court to hear case of baker's refusal to make wedding cake for gay couple

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  1. Professor Peabody

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    Vee have Vays of making you BAKE!
     
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    If two adults who are heterosexual but both 50 marry they cannot expect to have children either, or what if one of the two is unable to have children or having a child might have a high chance of a baby with a horrific disease so the man gets a vasectomy to protect the woman that issue. All can still adopt as can a gay couple thereby having a family. Plus are you arguing that gay couples bring down the USA's birth rate to a critical issue level last time I looked lots of babies are being made more than enough to meet demands of society that is more than we can say about nations like Japan who are in trouble.
     
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    Define "love and support in a child's life" please. Can you see a problem with gay men adopting children?
     
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    I see a problem with pedophiles being allowed to adopt children.
    Homosexuals, not so much.

    You do realize that, from your quote, many of the individuals in the study were married heterosexuals that victimized a male child, this does not make them a homosexual.
     
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    The percentage of homosexual pedophiles ranges from 9% to 40%, which is approximately 4 to 20 times higher than the rate of adult men attracted to other adult men (using a prevalence rate of adult homosexuality of 2%—4%)

    You don't see a problem with that?
     
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    Try a different link, please. It went to the website, but said page not found.

    And no I don't see a problem with any men adopting. Yes I do have a problem with pedophilles adopting. As for chance, there is just as much chance of a child being adopted by an abusive (not necessarily sexually) straight non pedophile parent as there is with a pedophilles of any type. That is what the screening process is for.
     
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    Assuming these are true numbers, which we can't verify until we get a good link, are those the percentages of "homosexual pedophiles" from among all pedophiles, or the number from among gay men? What is the percentage of gay men who are pedophiles, basicallly the reverse statistic? And that is an incredibly wide range.
     
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    The human race procreated quite nicely for 100,000+ years without "marriage".
     
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    Doctors have refused to write prescriptions for birth control. Druggists have refused to honor prescriptions for birth control.
     
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    When the majority of your customers are neither negros nor mexicans there is not much peril. Quite the opposite. But you know that, don't you.
     
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    And if they never procreate - what's wrong with that?
     
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    You are feigning ignorance. You seriously can not be as dense as you are pretending.

    If BCL or the DOI influences a Judges ruling ... "It has legal weight". If you disagree then explain how a decision or constitutional interpretation being influenced by the DOI = the law was influenced by DOI .. is not legal weight.

    You are desperately trying to play the semantics game.

    Further - the case law that results from law influenced by the DOI then becomes part of what is referred to as "Organic Law".

    Since it is a fact that the principles outline in the DOI have influenced Organic law (and interpretation of the Constitution which is also organic law) thus these principles have then become part of Organic Law, your claim that these principles have no relevance has been demonstrated to be false.
     
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    In today's world, there will be much hoopla if such were to happen. Most people I know would be protesting such stores, and most of them white. Additionally as soon as such signs went up, it would quickly be followed with "no whites" signs.
     
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    Cut the crap, we all know that whether atheism qualifies as a religion or not, it doesn't frown on "gay marriage"; so what you're really saying is that the freedom of association of those who profess no religion isn't protected under the Constitution. Got that about right, haven't I?
     
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    You have such a problem with putting claim the opposite of what people say. He was saying that if he as an atheist, i.e. his personal belief system that is sans a deity figure, frowned upon gay marriage then yes that qualifies. Where you come up with some of these odd offshoots of what people say I have no idea.
     
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    I see a problem with child molesters adopting.
    Your statistics do not state that gay men are more likely to be pedophiles and instead it states that "homosexual pedophiles" (or men that molest male children) make up a larger percent of the population than gay men. This means that "straight" men are the one doing the molesting.

    Not sure what part you are having trouble with
     
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    And yet, the DoI has no legal weight. Neither does British common law.

    Judges may look to both for influence on Us law, but neither have any legal weight.
     
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    https://ce21.blob.core.windows.net/documents/195/ONLBPRED-1_PPT.pdf

    Even though the homosexual men have a 4 times higher rate of molesting young boys that hooking up with other homosexual men? Wow!
     
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    But which population? When talking statistics, the population is the group being studied. I read the quote as meaning that was the portion of "homosexual pedophiles" within the pedophile population, not the general population. Which still begs the question of pedophiles among the homosexual population. And of course to add to the confusion, while a pedophile has an attraction to children, they also can have attractions to children and the two do not necessarily match for gender.
     
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    Thank you for the link. At 56 pages, I willl have to peruse it later.
    I still think that the quote was noting the portion of the pedophile population not the homosexual male population, but we'll see.
     
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    Went through the power point and that statistic you are citing is not in there. Please either provide a working link to the work with the statistic you are claiming, or note the page/slide number that it is on. I am not too proud to admit it is possible I missed it.
     
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    Self identified homosexual men does not equal homosexual pedophilia (that is mostly compromised of married self identified heterosexual males)

    How does the prohibition of self identified homosexuals stop self identified heterosexual men from molesting boys?
     
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    I never said it did. I was just pointing out how pedophile Homosexuals are 4X MORE prevalent than Homosexuals themselves and shouldn't be able to adopt.
     
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    You are claiming it but you have yet to actually provide the document that you claim said stat is from.
     
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    Post the post where I claimed what you say.
     
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