Sweden's 'gender-neutral' pre-school

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  1. ryobi

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    Several preschools have banished references to pupils' genders, instead referring to children by their first names or as "buddies." So, a teacher would say "good morning, buddies" or "good morning, Lisa, Tom, and Jack" rather than, "good morning, boys and girls." They believe this fulfills the national curriculum's guideline that preschools should "counteract traditional gender patterns and gender roles" and give girls and boys "the same opportunities to test and develop abilities and interests without being limited by stereotypical gender roles."

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14038419


    Swedish parents refusing to name the gender of their child:

    http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandst...ts-baby-gender

    Swedes create a new gender neutral pronoun "hen"

    http://www.slate.com/articles/double...troversy_.html
     
  2. Cdnpoli

    Cdnpoli Banned

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    Eh they stopped saying boys and girls a long time a go here.

    It was just Good morning class.

    Good morning boys and girls sounds cold war'ish.
     
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    This was not done due to some deliberate policy and was not universal.

    We still have no problem identifying a person by their gender and we should not have a problem with it.

    Environment certianly influences people but in the debate of nature vs nurture nature is winning. In fact more and more we see that the environmental influence on gender ( nurture ) is in fact merely a reflection of how nature defines us.

    The loopy notion that you harm kids by identifying them by gender needs to stay in sweden.
     
  4. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    No, it needs to be cleansed from here too!

    btw, as I am from sweden and have to put up with this crap in my own country, can I get some pity from you guys please?
     
  5. ryobi

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    Yes.... you deserve it Mr. Swedish guy. You should check out the thread about slouching for some really ridiculous ideas. According to Swedish feminists slouching apparently leads to women being raped. I couldn't make up something more ridiculous than that about Feminists if I tried Mr. Swedish Guy-lol.
     
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    Not sure I agree with the intent, but I do agree with addressing children by their names to help boost their confidence ( and as I backhanded way of saying, "Hey, you little punk, I know exactly who you are, so don't be thinking you are getting away with anything")
     
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    It's nothing wrong with not mentioning genders per se, but when one doesn't do it out of principle, with a stated goal, it's just silly feminist nonsense, which I dislike strongly.
     
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    yeah but your women are hot so if it makes them feel all warm and friendly, give them anything they want no matter how silly it is.
     
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    The hot women aren't the same as the radical feminists. We have two kinds: The nice blondes that mostly don't care, and the dyed-red haired less-nice feminists.
     
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    More radical gay agenda, and femnazi delusions, when will it ever stop?
     
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    Please identify the "columns" of "feminist gender theory" and state the theory.


    You have mixed the words 'theory" and "concept"n a way that makes them appear you treat them as the same thing.

    Please clarify.
     
  13. ryobi

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    Simple, feminists believe gender is nothing more than a social construct.
     
  14. Mr. Swedish Guy

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    I think Simone Beauvoir summed it up quite well: You're not born a woman, you become one.
     
  15. taikoo

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    Its a reasonable thing to say; one is not born a man, either, and it takes a lot more than just getting older.. Other than you, there may not be any men contributing to a thread in the feminism section.

    None of that addresses my request to M n' M.
     
  16. ryobi

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    That's because he doesn't have to say anything. It's already been said, succinctly btw.
     
  17. MaxxMurxx

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    concept (ˈkɒnsɛpt)

    1. an idea, esp an abstract idea: the concepts of biology.

    2. (Philosophy) philosophy a general idea or notion that corresponds to some class of entities and that consists of the characteristic or essential features of the class
    3. (Philosophy) philosophy
    a. the conjunction of all the characteristic features of something
    b. a theoretical construct within some theory
    c. a directly intuited object of thought

    d. the meaning of a predicate
    4. (Automotive Engineering) (modifier) (of a product, esp a car) created as an exercise to demonstrate the technical skills and imagination of the designers, and not intended for mass production or sale
    [C16: from Latin conceptum something received or conceived, from concipere to take in, conceive]

    the·o·ry (thē′ə-rē, thîr′ē)
    n. pl. the·o·ries
    ....

    4. Abstract reasoning; speculation: a decision based on experience rather than theory.
    5. A belief or principle that guides action or assists comprehension or judgment: staked out the house on the theory that criminals usually return to the scene of the crime.
    6. An assumption based on limited information or knowledge; a conjecture.

    http://www.thefreedictionary.com/

    More questions?
     
  18. taikoo

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    No, just the same ones, but as I thought, you have no answer as you were just talking nonsense.

    Please identify the "columns" of "feminist gender theory" and state the theory.


    You have mixed the words 'theory" and "concept"n a way that makes them appear you treat them as the same thing.

    Please clarify.
     
  19. ryobi

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    These films are all anyone needs to know about the, "columns of feminist gender theory." :smile:

    Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrsF7wyUxs8
    Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jm5mDjxuOKY
    Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOb1b8GYH6c
     
  20. MaxxMurxx

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    I do not use U-Tube Clips to get any serious information. (From YouTube I only download sex clips). Concerning the topic, I have hundreds of original publications of feminist authors. I have also many hundreds of original papers from left wing and ultra left wing authors and I even read and try to understand them. Even although I am admittedly right wing and anti feminist (Note: I am for women's rights but against feminists). You have to know what your enemy is planning. Some funny contra. feminist books, rather old however, Hoff-Summer's: "War against the boys" and "Who stole feminism". For making me vomiting I read something from Andrea Dworkin or the Scum Manifest.

    Good links for you:
    http://denisdutton.com/baumeister.htm
    http://www.debunker.com/patriarchy.html
     
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    IOW you cannot answer for your own nonsense


    Please identify the "columns" of "feminist gender theory" and state the theory.


    You have mixed the words 'theory" and "concept"n a way that makes them appear you treat them as the same thing.

    Please clarify.
     
  22. ryobi

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    That's a shame MaxxMurx because those aren't any ordinary youtube videos. Those youtube videos were responsible for 65 million euro (yes...65 million euro) being redacted from the nordic gender research institute because it was found, and it is revealed in the videos, that the nordic gender research institute used bogus science to come to its conclusions.

    :smile:
     
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    Thanks in this case. I've however already seen it (on VIMEO)
     
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    """Several preschools have banished references to pupils' genders, instead referring to children by their first names or as "buddies." So, a teacher would say "good morning, buddies" or "good morning, Lisa, Tom, and Jack" rather than, "good morning, boys and girls." They believe this fulfills the national curriculum's guideline that preschools should "counteract traditional gender patterns and gender roles" and give girls and boys "the same opportunities to test and develop abilities and interests without being limited by stereotypical gender roles."

    I don't see anything wrong with that. What could be simpler than saying "Good morning class" ?

    Why would kids need their sex pointed out to them in school ? Unless they're going to HAVE sex it's not relevant.

    Here in the US I know of a teacher who kept up the antiquated habit of lining up her students according to sex. There is no reason for that and she had to be corrected , it has something to do with Title 7 (or 5, I can't remember),...you can't discriminate with federal money.

    Kids should be in school to learn, to EXPAND their minds, not shut them down with ignorant sexual stereotyping. Teachers should think of the kids as STUDENTS, not male and female....and the world would be better for everyone.


    How would it go over if a teacher divided her lines or her students in anyway related to race???
    Black kids on the left, white kids sit on the right.....is THAT acceptable.
     
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    Good morning, boys and girls, blacks and whites, chinese and hispanics, and uh, lets see, one eskimo,
    good morning proto-gay and transgenders, good morning to theist and atheist alike...
     

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