Switzerland's example of universal healthcare. Will Obamacare be just as expensive?

and when did this law start?

So, 15% on admin eh? That's the target set by Obama.

Hey, guess what?

in 2004–05 NHS administration costs were 4.9 per cent. of the total NHS Budget 1 .

http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm200506/cmhansrd/vo060206/text/60206w54.htm

Your new target is 3 times higher than what we already achieved.

How great is your private system.

Oh, that 3 x as a %. But your system costs 3x ours. So multiply those together.

You spend about 9 times what we do on admin.

Suckers.

 

As usual, your facts are all wrong wrong.

 

Swiss healthcare is universal, through mandatory health insurance regulated by government.
I don't live in your country, but Britain has an obesity problem too.
A universal service provides preventative advice and support as well as treatment.
http://www.nhs.uk/livewell/Pages/Livewellhub.aspx

 

as usual, all you facts are nonexistant

 

Mandatory health insurance is probably just what the US needs to deal with the obesity problem, causing more Americans to become more financially interested in the health their children at school and at home. A well designed health insurance policy rewards a healthy lifestyle with lower fees.

 

Yeah, and your fat Mom wears combat boots!

Take that, you six-year old!

Ha-Ha!

 

ok, lets demolish this one.

America spends around double what the UK does as a % of GDP. According to you it is down to obesity.

But America does not spend half it's healthcare money on obesity, and the UK does not have zero obesity either. So you are talking rubbish.

However it is true that Americans are fat and that it takes up a big chunk of healthcare spending, as it also does in th UK.

Why are people getting fat?

The cause, I will prove to you, is modern capitalism.

A major reason is that we are now surrounded by supermarkets full of processed food. This food is deliberately made:

a. very easy to eat with hardly any chewing (adult baby food)

b. highly addictive, as addictive as heroin.

These are facts you can google.

In addition there are other factors

1. Healthy food tends to be expensive and time consuming to prepare

2. the capitalists cant make much profit from fresh air and exercise, so they sell us gadget after gadget and nowadays kids are on the computer instead of their bike

3. The capitalists not only make the crap addictive, they market it heavily, even to kids

4. Poor people lead such depressing lives at the end of the day they want a tasty treat and find it harder than rich people to eat healthy, give up (*)(*)(*)(*), exercise etc. And the growing inequality means more people like this. Now there is huge differences in life expectancy even within a fairly small country like the UK, from poor areas to rich. Also, the poorest find it harder to get to supermarkets etc.

5. I also blame the BOGOFs, which encourage us all to buy twice as much as we need.

So, we need to take over the food companies and supermarkets, and get a better system.

They are killing the population.

 

how old are you?

 

Old enough to know better!

 

Good question, f_socialism.

Many very learned people agree with you.

Don't Copy Europe's Mistakes: Less Government Is the Right Way to Fix Healthcare

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USA:
Life expectancy: 78.3
Healthcare cost per capita (per GDP): 16%
Medical bankruptcies: +1000000
Healthcare rating: 37th

Switzerland:
Life expectancy: 81.7
Healthcare cost per capita (per GDP): 11%
Medical bankruptcies: 0
Healthcare rating: 20th

http://seekingalpha.com/article/146992-comparing-u-s-healthcare-spending-with-other-oecd-countries
http://www.theatlantic.com/business...are-reform-reduce-medical-bankruptcies/68304/
http://www.uscourts.gov/Statistics/BankruptcyStatistics.aspx
http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

If you still think US HC system is supriour to Europe then you are mentally challenged
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You are very correct, Professor Peabody.

They also have a very small minority population.

This makes a big difference in their heath care costs.

A lot of our costs for health care result in and go toward abuse of illegal drugs and acts of violence committed in America's inner cities.

 

Then why dont you?

 

Uhm, sir, Switzerland has a weak small government! Swiss pay less in taxes, less in health insurance and you are trying to explain to your republican buddies that you don't want for America to be like that! This is maybe why the US government has become so large with such high health insurance costs and so much debt!

...Switzerland is a true direct democracy... Over and over again the Swiss have decided to keep up the basic principle of federalism.... Switzerland has a weak small government and no other nation is delegating as many competences to federal states and communes...
http://www.redstate.com/benhed/2010...terest-group-better-than-the-us-constitution/

 

Well done.. James Cessna is comparing apples and oranges.

 

This is also incorrect.

Switzerland has one of the highest immigration rates on the continent. According to the 2000 census, 22.4 percent of the total population of 7.4 million is foreign born, and 20.5 percent, or nearly 1.5 million, are foreigners, defined as persons with a foreign nationality.
http://www.migrationinformation.org/USfocus/display.cfm?ID=284

 

James has been jumping to conclusions for weeks without considering the facts.

 

If most republicans are like this, then America has some pretty serious problems. Oh, wait, American has some very serious problems! I wonder why? Can this trend somehow be reversed?

 

As usual, Margot, you have misquoted me.

I said nothing at all about “immigrants”.

Here is what I ACTUALLY said.

"They also have a very small "minority" population.

This makes a big difference in their heath care costs.

A lot of our costs for health care result in and go toward abuse of illegal drugs and acts of violence committed in America's inner cities."

 

Yeah... foreigners tend to be a minority........

 

just because something works in Swizerland does not mean it will work everywhere else. keep in mind it is alot easier to manage the size of a country and to have a equal consensus in a country thats smaller then most states in the USA.

 

It has NOTHING to do with size of population... it has to do with SYSTEM..

The Swiss streamline everything.. They are very efficient workers and love their vacation time.

 

The same can be said about larger countries too which may have larger budgets and more resources to get the job done. Regardless if a country is big or small, what matters is that one has a system which works that others can learn from.

 

You are very correct, jesseventura.

The Swiss do not have to deal with the drug problems, the problems with obesity and high fat diets and the violent crime rates we have here in the United States.

These diffierences alone account significant differences in the amount both nations spend on health care!