Syrian air defense shot down an Israeli military aircraft. Video.

I can't understand one thing here. Why aren't the Syrians using the S-300's? Also there are so many confusing reports. I did read in the Russian press that the Iranians were supposed to remain a certain distance away from the Golan Heights, and yet they moved into the area. Could this be the reason they didn't use their S-300's? Maybe the Russians wouldn't allow it?

There was also an American coalition attack on the Syrian army, when they said they were going to hit ISIS. I think the Russian problem here are the Iranians and Hezbollah. As long as they're in Syria they can't give the Syrians the protection they need - yet Assad can't tell them to leave, after all without them he wouldn't have been able to free Syria from ISIS.

Anyway I'm just guessing here, no one really knows what's going on. They're all liars, except maybe for the Russian press. But then again it depends on where they get their information from..

 

Hmmm. I would have thought the russians would have liked how the israelis operate. They got big gonads. And like russians, they don't like being attacked.

 

The Syrians might have shot down a drone. I don't think the Israelis would risk losing a plane - but who knows. From what I read there were missiles flying all over the place.

 

Putin hasn't invaded and destroyed any country. He freed the people of Chechnya from jihadists from the Gulf and their embedded CIA agents. The people in Crimea by annexing it and protected the people of S. Ossetia when they were attacked. He also helped the freedom fighters in the Donbas from being annihilated by the Gallacian Nazis with logistics..

From what I gathered, he does believe that a strong response will help save lives in the end.

 

This is how propaganda wars are fought. Asshat's side, under Putin's KGB-style tutelage, just invents "victories" for the faithful to believe in. What does it matter whether a plane was actually downed? All that matters is what people believe happened.

Активные мероприятия.

 

The difference is that Putin uses diplomacy. When he does respond to an aggression it's not to Russia's detriment, while with Israel it only worsens the situation. Israel has no concept of diplomacy, maybe because they didn't have a country. I know the Byzantine Empire survived 1,000 years by using diplomacy and paying their enemies to have peace.

The situation for Israel has now reached a point of no return. What are they planning on doing, kill off all the Arabs and Iranians? Then again killing off half the world is part of the new world order, so who knows?

 

I am still trying to get a good handle on russia today. Sometimes it appears more like a corporation than anything else. But then, so does the UK and the US.

I do not though immediately assume russia is some evil want to be empire. I think like all nations, especially the US, they have national interests, and work for that. Many americans believe they are still the USSR with their communist revolution and spreading communism. I think they moved far beyond that, and are doing nothing more than playing our games. They are not supposed to do that of course, for only the US has that RIGHT. ha ha ha

IMO, the sensible americans have more in common with russia than our cold war holdovers will ever admit. And for the life of me, I cannot see how some people actually believe russia wants to be another hitler germany, with western europe forever at risk of being conquered by russia. I think russia wants respect, and there is nothing wrong with that. I think they have national interests, that are not in line with hitler's germany, just like all nations have national interests if their government is any count at all in representing the best interests of their people.


I do not like what happened in russia with its move into a communist regime, long ago, but that is now history, and that russia is gone. Instead of celebrating that, and being fair with russia, helping them into the change from communism, we have seemed to exploit them, and then kick em in the teeth since the promise that we would not move nato one inch towards them. So, if russians don't much like the US, that is utterly understandable and logical.

But to be fair, or try to be fair in regards to russia is sure to get the demagogues riled up with accusations of being employed by moscow, or being putin's puppet. ha ha ha. Of course that is what madmen would accuse one of being, and that must be a consideration.

 

I read today. Russian specialists finish training the Syrian military to work on the S-300. I think that at the moment the Russians control the S-300 complex. And for political reasons do not use this air defense system. But soon the Syrian military will finish their training, and perhaps we will see the application of this complex.

 

Syrian media are no different from the American media. At least it is precisely established that all Israeli missiles were eliminated by the air defense system. And this is a fact. As for the aircraft, it is an open question. Syrians say one thing, Jews say other. Believe you can only RT.

 

Oh no, they are quite different. Our media are not owned and controlled by dictators. Syrian and Russian media are under state control and direction.

 

Fascists control American media. Because in the USA the fascist dictatorship. Assad does not have an NSA that monitors its own citizens. Assad does not have the largest number of prisoners in the world. Despite the war. Assad does not bomb a sovereign state. Assad doesn't even have a “Patriot Act”. And so on.

If we talk about Russia. Every person who has a brain knows that Russia is the freest and most peaceful country in the world.

 

Over 100 publications and media in Russia are foreign owned, so I don't know what are you talking about?

As for our media, how can it be controlled by the government, when our government and media are both controlled by the same corporations?

 

Killing off half the world is the new world order? Whose plan is this?

 

Multinational corporations?

 

Probably Soros and the ideologues in Washington.

I'm looking at the results of our actions in Iraq, Libya, and Syria - not to mention our support of Nazis in Ukraine, and Saudis in Yemen. I mean take a look at what we did to Mossul and Raqqa? The bodies still haven't been buried. Our think tanks are not stupid, so why haven't they learned from past mistakes unless the intent is to kill off more people?

 

The media's are all owned by 6 corporations, thanks to Bill Clinton for passing a law which allowed it. They are owned by other corporations and it goes on and on.

 

In other words, Putin is just like the politicians in the USA. Only, Putin has a long way to go before he matches their record of death and destruction.

Just curious: Does it make you feel dirty the way you constantly attack Putin for things that US politicians do all the time?

 

The US media is nothing more than a glorified propaganda ministry for the oligarchs who own the media corporations, the banks, the arms manufactures, the government, etc. Wake up and smell the coffee.

 

Interesting ... you are now seriously arguing that it was reported only by the Syrian media and no Russian media and therefore it is quite a fake news?

Funny ... in other places, the Syrian media have been as trustworthy as you and Russian media about you and other people when it comes to the things of the Syria war! What's right now? Are the Syrian state media just as much BS media as the Western media that you have so often attacked?

 

Any media can write propaganda, but not information. Western media write propaganda exclusively. Russian media write information. And of course they also give propaganda.
But the propaganda of the Russian media is less aggressive than the propaganda of the Western media. For example, the Russian media do not write about the fact that, by order of the British Queen, the British intelligence services poisoned people in Russia with a military toxic agent. This would not even occur to anyone to write in Russia.
Or, as the German media wrote earlier, now I don’t know whether they are writing or not, “Russian troops invaded the Donbass.” Or "Russians attacked Georgia in 2008." And it is not important for the German media that the European commission, which by the way consists of Russophobes, was forced to admit that Georgia was the first to attack the Russian peacekeepers.
Read the old Western media about Libya, Syria and other conflicts. Now they are sadly silent. And they try not to remember their lies.

 

Any photos of the downed plane yet? Any other evidence?

 

I am certainly not a defender of the Western media ... but find it the other way round: Russian media are a propaganda tool of the government!

 

Russian correspondent in Israel says that the "Israel Defense Forces" does not confirm the statement of the Syrian SANA about the downed aircraft.



I did not find information from independent sources. Arab media reported that the plane was shot down, but was able to fall on the territory controlled by Israel. Israel denies this.
It is precisely known that Israel has now stopped flights in the airspace of Syria. Although before the Jews were not afraid to fly there.

 

The Russian government controls only 12 Russian media. The rest of the media, several thousand of them, are not under the control of the government.
But generally speaking, I agree with you that there is no completely independent media. Any media depends on the owner.
But I can also say that the Russian media is more diverse and independent than the Western media. If only because the pro-communist views of the population are very strong in Russia - this is the opposite of government policy. Therefore, there are a lot of mass media in Russia criticizing the government and the president. And any reason for criticism quickly becomes known.
The West has an established political system. You did not know what socialism is. Therefore, the Western media can only criticize personalities. But they do not criticize the political economic system. And do not take into account the class struggle. This greatly narrows the freedom of speech. Russia in this issue (freedom of speech) wins a lot.
In addition, there are many foreign users in Russian social networks now. By the way, especially a lot of Germany. They create their own forums there and communicate without fear of censorship. And by the way, they write about the fact that they are in Russian social networks because for example in Germany or in Britain they are subject to persecution by the authorities. They say that in Germany you can get a fine or even arrest for a comment that will not please the tolerant idiots in power. Basically it is of course anti immigrant forums.

 

OK, so absolutely no evidence. Gotcha.

Hands up all those surprised by this?