Taiwan in Trouble!

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  1. AARguy

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    Gesundheit!
     
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    Like Germany and the Sudetenland?
     
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    But didn't we support the terrorists in Syria to overthrow the elected president Assad, who is the most secular leader in the Middle East, and wasn't he the one protecting the Christians and other minorities from the terrorists?
     
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    I'm not sure what the connection is between these disparate people and places, but making Assad out to be a good guy is a hard sell.
     
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    Hitler was furious at the League of Nations that a nation as inferior as the Czechs could be member. It's called supremacism, the same kind of supremacism that the Galicians Nazis have. They're the ones that Nuland put in charge of Ukraine. It was a coup remember, and the junta in Kiev represents only about 7% of the population.

    None of this matters though. the neo cons and Galician Nazis are signing Ukraines death sentence. It might be in a few months, or at the most 2 years. There is no way Russia will allow arms in Ukraine that will threaten its existence anymore than we allowed them in Cuba - and there is nothing Nato or the US can do.

    The worse the US and can do is disconnect Russia from Swift - which doesn't matter to them, since they set up their own system years ago. As for everything else, they're closely aligned to China, so what else do they need?
     
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    Are you saying that Nuland overthrowing the elected president, and putting the Galician Nazis in charge of Ukraine worked well? Worked well for who, certainly not for the Ukrainian people. It is the poorest nation in Europe, and yet they were the richest province in the Soviet Union.

    As for federalizing and giving different areas special rights, it has worked well with Russia - and they have 123 different languages and 5 or 6 different faiths to contend with. So why wouldn't it work with Ukraine, when they have only 5 or 6 different languages?

    Of course Gallicia would have to be excluded. With them nothing would work. The Russians think it has to do with their soil. They might be lacking some mineral.
     
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    I know of no plans to place any weapons in the Ukraine that threaten Russia's existence. There is no need today. During the Cold War technology decreed that there was a race to fire first. There's no longer a need for that. So if nuke ICBM's or GLCM's aren't in the equation, there's nothing else that could threaten Russia.
     
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    Wow. Imposing one person's will on another never has a happy ending. Self determination is the only way to make anything last.
     
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    So you're saying overthrowing a legitimately elected president is self determination, while holding referendums so people can vote for what they want is not? Interesting!


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    Welcome to our Orwellian world guys.

     
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    That's up to Russia to decide. Putin said that if certain missiles are placed in Ukraine they can reach Moscow in 10 minutes, and if they are hypersonic, in 5.
     
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    I never said anything about overthrowing anyone. Its yo that want one group to impose their will on another which, like I said, never works out well. Again, I'm a big fan of self determination. No one is mentioning anything about overthrowing anything... but you.
     
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    That's what I said... no one is planning on any ICBM's or GLCM's for Ukraine... so no problem. Just defensive stuff like JAVELIN, PATRIOT and whatever shakes out in the up and coming unmanned world.
     
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    We should have already shipped a million rifles to Taiwan, and they should already have them hidden in the hills, mountains, basements, etc. The threat of an embarrassing, prolonged resistance could be more of a deterrent than the belief that the US will militarily intervene.
     
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    Nothing strategic about it. Just plain confusion.
     
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    Actually we will defend Taiwan. With nuclear weapons if necessary.


    There is certainly nothing preventing Israel from attacking Iran.

    China may be foolish enough to invade Taiwan, but the United States will see to it that the invasion is repulsed.


    We should keep our promises when we make them. We have promised to protect them.
     
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    Yes, but.... he was also a brutal dictator himself.
     
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    Our promises have been less warlike as the years go by. We are not going to open war over Taiwan today, nor should we.
     
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    That is incorrect. We will go to war if it is necessary to protect Taiwan.

    We are actually refurbishing all of our B52s and building a bunch of unmanned stealth bombers so we will be ready to pummel China if it comes to that.

    I do not share your opinion that we should not go to war. If it turns out that that is the only way to protect Taiwan then I am all for war.
     
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    That is correct only in the sense that it will be China who starts the world war.


    It may well be the end of China if that happens. We will defend Taiwan, with nuclear weapons if necessary. With strategic nuclear strikes against Chinese cities if necessary.


    No. Assad is committing genocide against the Syrian people, and is fabricating a story about terrorists to fool gullible people into not paying attention to his genocide.

    It is true that there are terrorists operating out of Syria now, but Assad created the terrorists and is supporting them. He is not trying to fight them. Assad is busy committing his genocide instead.


    Well first, so far there have never even been any plans to put such missiles in Ukraine.

    However, Russia may soon find such missiles deployed in Poland and Romania. At the moment there are no plans to put them there either. But such plans are likely to develop as Russia invades more and more countries.

    If plans to deploy these missiles in Ukraine develop in the future, it will be Russia's own fault that Ukraine agreed to host the missiles. Ukraine would never have agreed to site such missiles on their territory if Russia hadn't invaded them.

    There is plenty that the US can do about Russia's ongoing invasion of Ukraine if it expands to claim even more Ukrainian territory. The part of Ukraine that is situated for the easy bombardment of Moscow is populated by the Ukrainians who hate Russia. The pro-Russian Ukrainians live elsewhere. All the US needs to do is keep Ukraine supplied with guns and ammo so they can keep killing Russian soldiers for as long as Russia tries to occupy them. Sooner or later Russia will be forced to give up their occupation of the parts of Ukraine that hate Russia.


    Actually it's up to Ukraine to decide. Unfortunately for Russia, the Ukrainians hate them now and would be happy to host such missiles. Russia's only way of avoiding their deployment is the fact that so far the US has no plans to deploy such missiles in Ukraine.

    Considering the location of northern Ukraine with regards to Moscow, I'd think a hypersonic missile could hit Moscow in under a minute.
     
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    If we did go to war with China we would use missiles and not manned bombers. However, we will not go that far.
     
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    Promises? The Taiwan Relations Act does not guarantee the U.S. will intervene militarily. If US goes to a war to defend a nation, who would never do the same for the US, then Congress would have to declare war. As a matter of fact the treaty specifically says (as does the US Constitution) that a president would not make the call, but the Congress would.

    You think Biden should declare war on China his own?

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    Wasn't Assad one of the primary opponents vs our Iraq strategy? I have zero sympathy for Assad, or anyone that follows him. He, and the Ayotollah decided to intervene in a war against the US. How should we treat him?
     
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    The new stealth bombers can fly unmanned. But there is also a role for manned B52s if we go to war against China. If nothing else they can fly over the oceans and drop laser-guided bombs on Chinese shipping. Bombers are also a great platform for launching missiles.


    That is incorrect. We will go all the way to full scale nuclear war in order to defend Taiwan.


    The promise in question was in regard to Ukraine. We promised to help them, and we will continue to supply them with arms so they can keep defending themselves.

    However, we have also promised to help Taiwan. With Taiwan we will go all the way to all-out nuclear war in order to defend them.


    It is unlikely that the President will wait for Congress to declare war before acting. I do like the idea of putting Congress back in charge of such matters, but I doubt that it will happen.
     
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    We never promised to do that, and then again, why the heck would we make such promise?

    The Treaty calls for it, as does the Constitution.
     
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    He could use the military as he sees fit. If China suddenly invaded Guam, Biden doesn't have to wait for Congress to convene in order to engage. That delay could ensure more casualties and possible military defeat. If FDR became aware of the Japanese fleet 500 miles from Hawaii, he could've ordered a general offensive on the entire Pacific front immediately, WITHOUT waiting for Congress to convene.
     
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