Tax the 1%...

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by dadoalex, May 18, 2020.

  1. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Well it never happened, and never will happen, so I'm amused when people who actually oppose it start championing it as a distraction.
     
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    It couldn't as it actually required adoption of "progressive" marginal rates of tax. Right winger 'whoops' moment.
     
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  3. Lil Mike

    Lil Mike Well-Known Member

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    Not a whoops moment for right wingers; a leftie brought up the negative income tax in this thread.
     
  4. Robert E Allen

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    I do care about merit. I've said nothing to lead you to believe otherwise frenchman
     
  5. Reiver

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    The point remains: right wingers had to reject it after they realised they actually had created an argument for progressive taxation. The Laffer Curve has a similar history. Originally introduced to celebrate trickle-down, it actually became an argument for increasing tax (as the evidence finds that it is multi-peaked). Oops!
     
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    Yawn. Clearly you don't as otherwise you'd be up in arms over America aping Mother England in class limitation.
     
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    The only limitations in America are self imposed....
     
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    Yawn. Given the US has lower social mobility, you assuredly have to conclude that Americans are more likely to be useless.

    Your continued anti-Americanism is not appreciated.
     
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    I would say that yes Americans are and are increasingly useless

    that's not anti Americanism people being lazy and incapable is not at all American
     
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    He's from the UK if I recall correctly.
     
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    I'll keep calling him french til he says otherwise.
     
  12. Collateral Damage

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    We've been through this before.

    The US free market isn't monopsonistic. You drag that out on a regular basis, I believe to try and fill in your attempt at sounding officious. And oligoponistic isn't applicable either.

    The excess or lack thereof in a job market is not predicated on minimum wage. There will always be unskilled labor, and there will always be jobs for unskilled labor. Those who could even consider not taking employment because it did not pay enough are not unskilled labor. But kudos on the attempt.

    What you may define as a 'profiteering opportunity' may very well be the free market in play, unless you can be specific and show just cause why supply and demand would not be acceptable (stated emergency).

    Until you can actually prove your theories are applicable in a free market environment, your thoughts will have to continue to be just that, a theory.
     
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    French is the second nationality of my ancestry, based on percentage. :)

    Side note, his screen name is a common word used to describe border raiders usually found at the Scotland/England border, between the 13th and 17th centuries.
     
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    The French were great until Napoleon died.
     
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    No the point doesn't remain. The negative income tax has nothing to do with "right wingers"
    in this thread. Given your history of getting everything wrong however, your ignorance is to be expected.
     
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    Huh, I thought they were these guys...

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    Yawn. You do seem to struggle with logic. America has lower social mobility. If you believe lower social mobility reflects fecklessness, then you believe that Americans- compared to Europeans- are more feckless. that is anti-American.
     
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    All labour markets are monopsonistic. It merely refers to wage making power. That is delivered through job search frictions. I don't care if you have ignored this truth before. You have no justification for making stuff up.

    There is no free market. You're talking out of your backside. Capitalism only exists, for example, because of government intervention.
     
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    Of course it does. The Negative Income Tax is, on the face of it, similar to the Minimum Income Guarantee. The difference is that the former was only mentioned as a means to integrate tax and benefit systems to apparently eliminate work disincentive effects (and therefore reduce the natural rate of unemployment bobbins). It fell apart as, without them realising, they really were arguing for progressive tax.

    But heck, stick with the dissonance if it helps.
     
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    You then, by your own words, have proven no understanding of how a free market works, and the employment arrangements of such. I don't ignore statements, but apparently narrow vision of other world markets and how they function colors yours.

    I'd be more than happy to escort you around small, medium and large businesses here in the US that function on a free market basis and the employment issues involved with it. Ivory tower theories are just that, and usually disprove themselves when actually applied to a market that is not underridden my government involvement and the expectation that they employer is responsible for the employees improvement in life.
     
  22. Reiver

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    Free markets do not exist. Even if they did, the idea for the labour market would be quite ludicrous. We would maximise hysteresis in unemployment as any macroeconomic shock would maximise long term unemployment and destroy human capital.

    How many SMEs would refer to how they are being harmed by big businesses who fund your right wing politicians pretending that they support free markets?
     
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  23. Robert E Allen

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    the only reality I struggle with is the idea that any good information will come from your keyboard..

    By the way, you are free of Nazi Tyranny..... You're welcome... you're not under soviet domination, you're welcome.. someday you'll come to the knowledge that you owe your existence to America
     
  24. Reiver

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    Yawn. Why do you insist on trying to downplay all Allied efforts during the war? My grandad, mind you, was bombed by Americans in blue on blue fire. He still wasn't as anti-American as you.
     
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    goodbye mr delusional
     

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