Tax the 1%...

They call them right wingers because they are right. Those who are useless contributors too society they call left wingers because they deserve to be left out.

 

Lol...twice so far, eh? It doesn’t sound like you were very good at it.

 

Sounds like something a fascist would say. In the real world, we have the left fighting for individualism (including meritocracy in compensation) and the right on their knees to big business.

 

Well Joe, it looks like your life is centered out there in the water. Meanwhile on land people start a business and it is thriving and next thing you know a major disaster hits like a bunch of arabs flying planes into buildings or unknown pandemic viruses sweep across the country and fear spreads across the nation. People hunker down and the next thing you know is you don't have customers like you use too. Anyways enjoy your life on the water but watch out for those tsunami's.

 

Meritocracy
Meritocracy (merit, from Latin mereō, and -cracy, from Ancient Greek κράτος kratos 'strength, power') is a political system in which economic goods and/or political power are vested in individual people on the basis of talent, effort, and achievement, rather than wealth or social class. Advancement in such a system is based on performance, as measured through examination or demonstrated achievement. Although the concept of meritocracy has existed for centuries, the term itself was coined in 1958 by the sociologist Michael Dunlop Young in his satirical essay The Rise of the Meritocracy.
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A take over by the government and the doling out of wealth by those in power is not individualism. Communist China has a system like that and they have too steal technology and capitalist monetary ideas from other nations because their own people do not have the will to invent. The state is the power and rewards it's party and military leaders above the peasant's they control. Don't like the system? No problem, you get a free vacation to never be heard from again. Now that's Communist and socialist individualism.

Corporations in America fit the definition of meritocracy better than governments. At least corporations, when allowed, create products and services that create more jobs and wealth for all. If a government owns a corporation they have the power to tell that company who to hire, how many of each sex, race and gender. How much to pay and caps on salaries and wages. Sounds awful Russian to me. Oh wait! They don't have no gender problems in Russia. Don't believe me? Ask them.

 

I'm not interested in whether you can copy and paste dictionary definitions. Well done though!

I've referred to economic reality, which you have ignored. Right wing economics ensured wages and productivity slid apart. Left wing economics demands that must be ended. The individual should be paid according to their worth.

This mind you is a great example of how the right wing are on their knees at the altar of big business. There is no appreciation of the damage created by market power. Look at, for example, the low self employment rate in the US compared to social democratic countries. Look at the low wages and low social mobility. Look at the politicians also feeding at the big business trough. Right wingers show nothing but contempt for individualism. Its then very amusing when they pretend otherwise. At least the fascists amongst their ranks are a little more honest.

 

…. and that is the rub. Who is to determine what the individual is worth? I worked for years in the defense industry and made very good money. Most of the time it was stressful hard work. I always had food on the table and a shelter over my head for my family. I also wasted a lot of money on frivolous things. I retired and went to work at a low paying job and have been at it for 14 years. I still don't make the money I did 30 years ago but I love my job because I don't have to think, I don't have to boss, I don't have be responsible. I'm probably overpaid. Money is not a issue. Working satisfaction is. Guess what? I have had many jobs and a lot of times I've had two or three jobs at the same time and they all had one thing in common, I could except the pay I was being offered or not take the job and if I did I had the freedom to quit that job.

 

Don't you know your supply and demand? The market determines value, via productivity. Indeed, its that understanding of the market that ensures underpayment is unquestionably occurring.

Job search can never eliminate underpayment. It can only marginally reduce it. Supply and demand reality!

The problem is that, as the right worship big business, they necessarily stick two fingers up at eliminating these problems. They actively attack individualism.

 

You are certainly dedicated to victimhood, not going to have it any other way.

If you really did enter the legitimate business world- what you would get is what you sorely need above all else- education and understanding. You would be putting yourself in the shoes of those you think stole your privilege- the same people who have to carry the sorry asses of the world who won't manage their own lives but are all experts in economics and justice and are therefore qualified to criticize, though they can do little else.

You aren't worried about injustice to all, but to the injustice you perceive has kept you from having what you want. The cry that it's a plot against everyone is there to convince people that it's universal and must be corrected.... which would simultaneously serve you. You want your misery to blamed on others.... not the guy in the mirror.

It would be a miserable life to get old and die feeling sorry for yourself- especially when one looks back from their old age and realizes that the real enemy was always themselves, the only person with the power to change it all that simply refused step up to the plate and accept responsibility for their own life. That is happening to people everyday, who in their last days or years, when it is too late- finally realize they have squandered all their opportunities looking for something easier and free.... and have lived as a vessel of hate, anger and bitterness rather than one of pride, success and love. Pissed away their entire lives blaming their own actions on the rest of society.

You truly are a victim- you just don't realize who is responsible for taking all that from you. Nobody can help you, and I certainly wouldn't waste the time. I can't even say I feel sympathy; it's a self-inflicted wound.

 

My first business failed. It was doing well in growth- but it's manager was green. I took it as education, learned. Started again within months, again from scratch. That was 45 years ago. The 7 companies I've run since and still run one today have never had a losing month, and have made 3 in my family millionaires. The business I still run isn't large, but it's very profitable and has clients in somewhere above 110 countries. Quit counting a few years back.

Failure can either break you or teach you- and that is a choice the person makes for themselves. If you can't find the backbone to get up and try again, you are a loser by choice.

 

I guess you believe in collective unionism? Supply and demand determines what a product sells for. Competition determines consumer pricing and attracting the best workers. The total compensation package normally will attract the largest pool of applicants. Government regulation stifles competition. Companies are not created so people can have jobs. They are the product of peoples dreams and imagination. If labor costs are to high or benefits to demanding then the dream fades and the future jobs along with it. I'm originally from Detroit and I have seen first hand the rise of Unions and the benefits they could impose. For awhile it works but eventually costs go up and sales start to lag. Conflicts arise from companies and labor as one wants to cut costs and the other refuses to give in. I have seen the prolonged strikes that eventually force companies to close plants or search for workers who are more receptive to lower wages. What good does it do to be so generous to their employees that they are no longer able to sell their product. You may say "yeah but what about that CEO who gets $20 million" and runs a business of 100,000. Lets take his compensation and divide it up among the workers, it's only fair, right. Well that would work out to $0.096 an hour for each employee. $3.85 a week. Yeah! I'm rich.

 

Ensuring bargaining power through unionism is just rational. Its of no surprise that countries with weak unions, such as the UK and the US, exhibit class-ridden social immobility.

In labour markets we know that any wage making power will generate underpayment.

Corporations adopt cost plus pricing.

Government certainly stifles competition in the US. Thats because right wing economics ensures that its politicians are in the pocket of big business.

Neither do they have much value without labour. Indeed, given sunk costs they can have negative value.

See Germany and real Union power.

Conflict is typically the result of poor management. When that is avoided we see evidence of 'voice' effects. Unions have been found to increase productivity.

Compensation effects are more than that as you have to take into account hierarchy that these firms adopt. Its not just one person overpaid. It is multiple. It ultimately describes inefficiency within the firm, but there's nothing to control that inefficiency. That's another consequence of right wing economics and its innate anti-individualism.

 

<yawn> Having a RIGHT to something -- like your life or liberty -- means you DON'T have to pay anyone for it -- especially not someone who is not providing it.

Get it?

So, if someone kidnapped a member of your family and demanded a ransom for their return, you would willingly pay because, "We all have to pay for what we want/need - whether via money or labour"?

Not me, sorry, no. I'd prefer to live in a world where I didn't have to pay a greedy, evil parasite for what THEY TOOK FROM ME.

GET IT????

I don't mind buying lunch from the person providing it. I just don't like having to pay a greedy, evil parasite merely for his PERMISSION to buy lunch from the one providing it.

GET IT???

"Use of force" does not mean the same thing in law, economics, or ethics as it does in physics, sorry.

No, I have already proved that is false. No one voluntarily chose to have their rights to liberty forcibly stripped from them and given to the privileged as their private property. You know this.

With our rights to liberty pre-stripped and made into the private property of the privileged.

Parents are supposed to be responsible in every society. That doesn't mean there is no such thing as systematic, institutionalized injustice.

GET IT?????

If their parents can afford to pay a landowner full market value for permission to access them.

No, that is nothing but false, disingenuous, and evil blame-the-victim filth, as I have already proved to you many times. Someone who could support themselves above the level of poverty might not be able to do so after having to pay a greedy, privileged parasite full market value just for permission to support themselves. Their poverty is not their own fault, or the fault of their parents. It is exclusively the fault of the greedy, evil, privileged parasite who demands his victims pay him for permission to exercise their rights to liberty.

So the fact that some might be strong enough to run a race while carrying a free rider on their back means that there is nothing wrong with making those who are not strong enough carry free riders, too? And it is their fault if they can't run the race carrying someone else on their back?? REEALLLYY?

Do you understand that your statements are nothing but fallacious, disingenuous and EVIL blame-the-victim filth?

Sure. It is not easy to become privileged when you start out underprivileged because privilege itself makes it harder. Being born a slave makes it a lot harder to save up enough money to buy your freedom, and then start buying slaves of your own. It's a lot harder to get ahead when you are on the treadmill that powers the escalator the privileged ride up at their leisure.

GET IT?????

Yes, but in the relevant sense they are all legal entitlements to benefit from the abrogation of others' rights without making just compensation.

That's just an advantage, not a privilege. Advantages -- beauty, intelligence, inherited wealth, etc. -- do not take anything away from anyone else. Privilege does.

I agree that under the current system, welfare is a privilege. But it is a countervailing privilege putatively intended (though inevitably failing) to compensate the victims of the rich's privileges.

 

Garbage. The privileged will still take without contributing, and everyone else will thus still be robbed.

Of course there is: a system without privilege.

What would you call being born with your rights pre-stripped and given to rich, greedy, privileged parasites if not arbitrary?

Yes. And you don't, that's obvious.

Nonsense.

The privileged eat just fine without working:

"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime. But own the lake, and he feeds you for a lifetime."

GET IT????

 

No, I've already proved that is false. Everyone must pay the privileged, especially landowners, full market value just for permission to work, to shop, to access public services and infrastructure, etc.

 

I care about liberty, justice and truth; you don't. Simple.

I repeat: I made a living with my own business for decades. I have also been an employee of both small and large businesses, and have worked for governments, non-profits and individual clients. That pretty much covers all the possibilities.

The facts contradict your beliefs, so you discard the facts. Simple.

It is the privileged whose asses the productive must carry, and I will thank you to remember it.

You have provided no evidence that I can do little else, while I have informed you of the facts. You simply realize that the facts prove your beliefs are false, so you have to discard the facts.

You know nothing about me but what I have written here, so your claim is nothing but false and disingenuous ad hominem filth. It is $#!+ you have made up on no basis whatsoever but your need to preserve your own false and evil beliefs.

Again, you have no facts or logic to offer and cannot address the issue, so you immediately resort to ad hominem filth. Despicable.

The injustice I perceive has killed -- has murdered -- billions of innocent people. You are apparently fine with that because you believe -- maybe even correctly -- that that injustice, that evil, is in your own narrow financial interest. I get it.

Justice would serve all honest people. Perhaps that is why you hate it so much?

What misery? I'm quite content, net of a few minor health issues. You are simply makin' up ad hominem $#!+ about me again because you have no facts or logic to offer. Despicable.

<yawn> Again, you have no facts or arguments to offer, so you just spew disgraceful ad hominem fabrications. Despicable.

Oh, is that what killed a million landless Irish in the 1840s? Their refusal to step up to the plate and accept responsibility for their own lives? I never knew that. Thanks for the history lesson.

Oh, no, wait a minute, that's right: your evil, blame-the-victim filth is exactly what the privileged English landlords said at the time about the million landless Irish they were murdering.

Hatred is the appropriate emotion to feel towards evil. And if you are not rich, and you are not angry, then you do not understand what the rich are doing to you.

More evil, blame-the-victim filth.

Oh, but I do. You just don't want me telling anyone how your privilege racket robs them.

Thanks for confirming that you can offer no facts or logic, no economics, ethics or civics, nothing but more of your evil, ad hominem, blame-the-victim filth.

 

Believe what you want. When you find a country that adopts your standards and can show that it works let us know. Explain how unionism is individualism again. I guess the individual that does not want to join a union won't have a job in a union shop? Anyways good luck with your endeavor. I have some stocks I want to research and maybe I can make some quick money.

 

Yep, economic reality is such a bind

Already have! I've demonstrated that neoliberal countries like the UK and the US are outliers. They adopt right wing wing economics and have ensured a big business sh*tfest. But heck, I appreciate reality isn't something right wingers give a toss about

 

Waiting for those names of countries that adhere to your philosophy.

 

Why do you suppose the DP bosses that run the House have not already passed legislation making your plan a reality?

 

I haven't referred to my economic stance at all. I've referred to economic reality. The UK and the US are anti-individualism. I've demonstrated that via higher self-employment in social democracy countries and how countries such as Germany do not exhibit the same wage-productivity gap.

 

That is reversed in US language.

Here the so called Left is fighting for big business, collectivism, and fascism.

 

That's bobbins though isn't it? The Dems are fighting for big business, just like the Republicans. But that's because these two exhibit a right wing consensus, despite the hard right knuckle draggers pretending otherwise.

 

Golly. I'm thinking, at this point, it would be a useless effort since Moscow Mitch won't allow legislation not approved by his owners to come to a vote.

 

It seems that facts don't phase you at all, unless they fit what you choose to believe.
I think ********* because the world isn't perfect according to your expectations.
Feel free to tell everyone- all that will do is drive away the responsible people so you won't be annoyed by them, and they won't be annoyed by you.
And No- you don't get it. You don't even come close to getting it. All you really want if for someone to agree with you so you can avoid confronting why you don't get it.
You aren't at peace with the world, and I think that is because you aren't at peace with yourself. I doubt anyone has really done anything to you to cause that, I would bet the cause is that they haven't done anything for you- appease your demands, become less, lower the bar, bring the goal to you rather than you needing to go for it.

There are millions of people who had less and done better that have no complaints at all... because they didn't expect the world to adjust them. They got off their backsides and played the hand they were dealt, and won. Just as the winners are self-made- so are the losers. Waste of time here, there are things and people that just can't be fixed.