1-Here is the US teachers can be fired. 2x when we went on strike kids got many benefits. I bet you’re uninformed to know that it is about conditions more than money. Everyone profits
I taught in a poor public school. When the kids who went to the private schools flunked , they were kicked out. And who do you think got them? Kids who are born rich are born on third-base, you can’t say that about poor kids. Rich kids have hope and aspirations that are realistic, poor kids lack hope...a good teacher inspires them to be the best. My daughter is a guidance counselor and has a program called AVID where bright kids who have done poorly are monitored by staff. The kids have to commit to working hard and if they don’t, they can’t stay in the program. Last year every senior was accepted to college! So many told her, they never dreamed they’d be going to college
I love those who don’t educate the,selves and make up facts open this and you’ll see the incoming class .https://features.thecrimson.com/2015/freshman-survey/makeup-narrative/ Before coming to Harvard, 63 percent of respondents attended public school, most of them non-charter, while 35 percent attended private school—26 percent non-denominational and 10 percent parochial.
Wow..trump sure knows his base....I can’t make the point simpler.we are talking about teachers salaries and what they afford on them...you’re talking about trust fund teachers who are rich , as though they are the same . ...forget it, it’s over your head
Yea and sometimes people can afford more than what their salaries yield due to other circumstances, such as inheritance or living at home with your parents. It was pretty crystal clear but you don't seem to get it. AND you claim you are a teacher?
Well, I would be curious as to which group of private schools. In the U.S. there are three major groups of private schools--Catholic Schools, non-Catholic religious schools and secular schools. The religious schools are affordable for the middle class. The secular schools are pretty much for the rich only (and the few scholarship students that they have to make themselves feel good). My guess is that the Ivy's are mainly populated by the last. The tuitions are in the probably $20 k a year range. http://www.capenet.org/facts.html
My wife had that happen to her in a private school about 20 years ago. The principal (who had taught most of these students in years before) upped the grades of most of the class. My wife demanded they be changed or she would quit that day. The principal backed down, but my wife started looking for work elsewhere. Interestingly, the parents thanked her for honestly grading their kids. They didn't want smoke blown up their butts about how smart their kids were, if they weren't.
The problem is the bureaucracy (the deep state), not the teachers. The teachers teach what they are ordered to by the higher ups. The bureaucrats have done a good job disguising that they are the reason for stuff like "new math," "common core" etc., not the teachers.
Pretty sure my marriage license and her teachers certificates prove it's not an anecdote. "Still have people like you dumb enough to believe" pretty much ends our discourse. I have no interest in debating someone who wants to insult me, my wife, and hold onto uninformed agitprop opinions. You really ought to try to stop spewing buchananite fox news opinions. You also have not proven you know or have spoken to teachers. And, you also fail in your assertions about the union; my wife's union doesn't require a masters; the state we live in does. Like I said, you're uninformed. Presuming to insult my intelligence after the first paragraph was laughable enough and yet here you double down. Bother, you are digging a gigantic hole. The only way people know how to argue? Sorry, I don't argue with people like you. I dismiss people like you for spewing uninformed nonsense opinion that is only supported by agitprop paranoia politics. I guess you don't understand how compromise works. The unions have to agree with some of the administration requests or every teacher everywhere would be on strike. Your "argument" is built on a foundation of sand. Look at you, flopping like a gutted fish. You disprove your own arguments and claim I lack intelligence! Common issue nationwide? You don't even understand what starting salary your example would make. Majority of educators are in the mid thirties or less. You're right, that's not how reality works. Your argument is as hollow as the O in god, friend. What the **** are you talking about? Sorry, I don't play identity politics. If more black males wanted to be educators, they would do so. This country enables that. I am not entirely sure how this ties into anything other than proving yourself to be on the square when it comes to republican politics and fox news talking points. For tucker, arentcha?
You truly are a typical *********, I gave you a suggestion. You see preoccupied about the ability and work of others. Give yourself a chance. Go master up as an educator.
You say the vast majority "can get into teaching without degrees or lesser degrees." That's not true. There is such a thing as lateral entry, where someone who has worked in a field like accounting, for instance, can be hired to teach math, but that person must continue on to get a licence in that state, which means appropriate college courses. Also, Unions can't get people jobs because they don't do the hiring and firing. The school district does the hiring, and tenure is awarded after about four years of satisfactory teaching. ( https://study.com/how_much_education_do_you_need_to_be_a_teacher.html ) Administrations share the blame, but they're only doing what the state and federal government expect them to do. We have an educational bureaucracy that is mostly political and completely disconnected from the average classroom. Also, you're targeting unions, but don't seem to know much about the unions and the issues the unions fight for. Fire all the teachers you want. You won't fix anything that way, because the problem is a societal problem--we all share the blame. Actually, as I already stated, it is not a fact, but is rather the opinion not supported by the facts. And here again, this is not factual. You are being careful to not use words like "all" or phrase your comments so they assume all, and that's a good thing. However, you are making some pretty audacious claims that simply aren't true. I don't know what sources you got that information from, but I'm certain it wasn't from any official or legitimate sources.
I have a masters degree and a successful career. I’m just five years away from retiring. Why would I want to “master up as an educator”?
Total bull. The teacher's unions have nothing to do with curriculum. The only thing they do is advocate for teacher pay and benefits. Somehow the bureaucrats have managed to keep the attention off of themselves by blaming the unions.
My son is in honors and it does not get him to graduation any quicker. In his case, its fine because he loves his school and his teachers. The 2 kids that hated school graduated early.
I know lots of teachers in the same position as those in the article. Their biggest problem is that they live on that income alone. I have been fortunate that my wife has always made more than me, though we've gone through some tough times financially.
The term, "white privilege" is one of those over-hyped terms that's lost any legitimacy in a discussion. I've spent years working with underprivileged kids and one thing is always clear: the student's daily environment, where they live, who their parents are, how much parents earn, and who the parents and students associate with all play a huge role in student achievement. That should in no way be taken to mean that rich kids are better than poor kids, but attitudes are formed from environment. Studies do show that students who grow up in poverty do not achieve at the same rates as students who grow up in higher income environments. Though not an absolute, high achievers tend to come from families that expect nothing less. (There are certain genetic factors involved. I've seen kids with horrible achievement on testing, but who are quite gifted in certain areas--music, math, art, sports. but those are the exception.) Kids who grow up in the higher income groups usually have parents with higher education levels and who have higher expectations placed on them. They may live in neighborhoods where other parents put the same expectations on their children. It becomes the social norm. Those parents know why and how to value education, and student achievement becomes the expectation. Kids who grow up in poverty usually have poorly educated parents that have fewer expectations for their kids. In some environments, kids grow up fully expecting that they will follow in the footsteps of a role model and go to prison. It's an acceptance of the reality they live in. They tend to believe that education is not as valuable as everyone says, and from a very early age, are not taught to see that education can move them out of poverty. http://www.institutepa.org/pdf/indicators/2016/povertyandacademicperformce.pdf I have no experience with private schools, so I can only state an opinion. I'm sure that not all private schools are the same, but as far as not letting kids fall through the cracks or slacking off, public schools are terribly disadvantaged in that respect. We cannot hold students accountable for their behavior, academic or social. I learned over the years that if a kid cusses me out, to just let it roll because 1. the kid is just trying to get me to respond in anger, and 2. nothing will ever come of it. No punishment, no requirement to hold on to the code of behavior. We can't stop kids from using phones because parents go wild if we do. That's when you realize where the kids learned all that foul language. We can't expel students for assault. I've been hit by students twice, and a female colleague of mine was seriously assaulted in her room. None of those incidents resulted in anything more than a brief suspension, despite the fact that state law stipulates a 365 day suspension and criminal charges. The district did not want the publicity. Elementary and middle schools can't hold students back if they have not reached the minimum achievement levels. Schools will change student grades after the teachers have left for the summer because failure rates reflect negatively on the school. In short, the kids rule the roost. It's not their fault, it's a societal problem. Also, administrator are the low persons on the totem pole as far as problems in the school. They're only doing what's required of them. State and federal educational initiatives are rife with politics and bureaucracy. No matter how well intended, when they become policy, we all lose out. I invite anyone who wants an eye-opener to spend a day in a school. It's not what it used to be.
Obviously you weren’t in my class because you would get the point. We are talking about regular teachers. Not people with trust funds and why should a teacher have to live with mommy? Whhhhhhooooosh, the point going over your head. Sure you went to school?
No, you're just moving the goalposts all over the field to try and cover up your inability to discuss something logically.
The reasons you posted above is why I would never send one of my kids go to a public school. My 5 sons all went to Jesuit schools. In Jesuit schools when you enter the door your cell phone is turned off and put in your back pack. If you use it and it is not an emergency, it gets compensated. The poorer the area worse the conditions in the public schools too. These kids come from neighborhoods where you fight for everything and that is their culture. The parents have also learned that if they raise hell the school administration will back down. From what you post it is evident that the inmates are in charge. If the administration allows students to assault teachers there is a big problem. I went to school in a poor mixed race neighborhood in the 60s but punching a teacher would never have been allowed. The teacher would kick your butt, then your parents would kick your butt and you would be looking for a new school. Mouthing off or disrespect was not tolerated either. In that environment kids can learn. In the environment you lay out the teachers aren't even safe how can a child feel safe?
I suspect you indulge in many unnecessary luxuries and so do the teachers in the O.P. If wages are so bad, then how do ordinary workers survive? How could anybody in the US afford to buy and pay off a house? How do you spend your holidays? Do you eat out a lot? Wear only designer clothes? Something doesn't add up. Glad I'm just a cleaning lady, at least I can support myself!!!
I know, teachers always argue it's not about the money... they want smaller classes, more time for prepping, paid for coaching etc. Here is a pay scale: https://www.payscale.com/research/US/All_K-12_Teachers/Salary Elementary teacher makes from 44K to 67K High School teacher makes from 48K to 75K Not bad... this is in US $$
Lawyers is a different category... they study longer, have to have their own office and equipment, own secretary and have no paid vacations. I think, teachers who are unhappy should work for the Government as Civil Servants!! They'll have absolute job security, high pay, bossy positions and hardly anything to do! Never call a civil servant in the morning or he wouldn't know what to do all afternoon!!
Glad I wasn't in your class, therefore, I actually learned something. Are you a teacher that supports ANTIFA? Attends rallies??
