Terrible heat wave in Australia

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  1. Bowerbird

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    Bitumen

    You had to ground aircraft in your last heatwave
     
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    Itermittenly you mean like damn near every summer? And I'm not talking about huge power plants those are fine no matter there fuel source. Correct me if I'm wrong but bitumen is a type of coal , soft coal to be precise, for those who aren't up on Aussie terminology that would either asphalt or macadam which are themselves fairly similar and I know of no runways that have ever been shut down in the heat here because of runway issues. since ours are concrete.
     
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    MOst commonly those are La Ninas and El Ninos which are themselves not well understood. We know exactly what they are but we aren't really sure what causes them.
     
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    I believe that's right. Now, given that it's probably useful to do some analyses of the available data to be able to understand it a little more.
     
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    We had a nice summer here in the deep south and so far a rather cold winter, with temps at night getting down into the mid teens. I would love to see more summers like the summer of 2016.

    Sound like australia might benefit from the inevitable next ice age. Us, not so much, although if like the last ice age, the deep south would not be under a few miles of ice. But your part of the country would be uninhabitable, under a few miles of ice.
     
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    The Mayan Civilization was said to have collapsed due to years of horrible, civilization killing droughts. It just stopped raining enough in order to feed the people with agriculture. So, in the history of humanity we have seen climate/weather events which were bad enough to implode civilizations. And this was before we began to burn fossil fuels, which modern civilization could have never existed without that burning for energy, nor the agricultural pesticides and fertilizers which allowed worn out soil to keep producing food crops for the survival of growing populations of homo sapien sapiens.

    IMO, the current ill placed climate change hysteria should be saved for the onset of the next ice age. Indeed, our addition of co2, a greenhouse gas, to higher levels in PPM, may just have the positive effect of delaying the next ice age. I say 'may' only because what science knows with some certainty about climate, climate change, or anything else which contains a factor of chaos, is quite limited, although you would not get that idea from listening to pro agw climatologists who are getting their 15 min. of fame these days, even as contrary voices, as Einstein and every other scientist of note has had contrary voices, seems to be crushed, in being able to voice the contrary positions.

    I am not at all sure why this deviation from what we generally see in science, has taken place within climatology. I don't think we have ever seen this happen, where there is so much certainty within this field of science, that you are missing the contrary voices from other scientists. I think in the history of science, we may have just made history. Yet if you have even an elementary understanding of science, and its history, the absence of contrary voices would be just a bit suspicious and even alarming. Yet from what I can tell, there are indeed contrary voices, but they seemed to be blacked out in large part, unless MSM can find a contrary voice which can be also spun to be some kind of nut case. And then of course there is the politics of academia, which we only seem to learn about once a Prof or scientist retires and non longer depends upon the institution for income, to feed themselves. I would imagine, if you are a young scientist, in academia, who is given grants by gov't to find the case for co2 and carbon taxes, and if you find something which does not fit the agenda of agw, you are smart enough to see it as an incoherence, and set it aside to be addressed later on....a later on which never comes...of course. To buck the current science on AGW, is risking your career. And many retired academics from science will tell you this, which is where I heard it.


    Yes, the earth is warming, and that is the natural cycle, as you get farther away from the last ice age. And yes, it is a fact that man has contributed to that natural cycle, by adding PPM to the co2 content. What is not certain is as to what the future effects will be, to what degree, and how long it will take to remove the co2 in PPM which man had added. That it would help this problem by adding flora, worldwide by changes in land management, that is not being used, means that there isn't really serious concern about his, from gov't or from the science. Has either demanded adding billions of co2 loving trees, and forcing a halt to rain forest deforestation? I have not heard it. No one is talking about it. So, how can a rational mind just swallow what we are being told? Carbon taxes will not decrease co2, but adding flora worldwide will. That there is no plans or move to do this should tell you there is a ruse going on, in order to redistribute income, from the bottom and middle, to the top. Using AGW as the means and tool, is the truth of this matter.

    When there is a push for land management, adding billions in new flora, and stopping rainforest deforestation, by military force if needed, only then will I think this is not in part some scheme, some ruse, just like open borders slave labor globalism is a scheme, a ruse to redistribute income from the bottom and middle to the top. It seems to be the paradigm we are living in.
     
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    Your wanton ignorance of research and efforts being devoted to all issues about energy and power consumption here in the U.S. makes me wonder.

    Do you know the significance to power consumption achieved by the new LED lighting ?
    Or how the new lowered power consumption parameters with projected effects of solar electricity and wind generator developments means 50 years from now ?

    Climate change and effects are still under analysis.
     
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    Yes they are and we actually have some of the answers!!

    Meanwhile we are redesigning our power systems
     
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    California is hot too.
    And it's mid Winter here.



    Could it be the Earth is experiencing a relative burst of Geothermal activity :omfg:
    as identified in Antarctica and the glacier melt.​
     
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    Occams Razor!!

    Or the right wing version "If something is so bloody obvious that it is about to bite you on the bum go blame something 50 kilometers away that never got near you
     
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    Or Beware The Upcoming Volcanic Events that occur with warm-ups through history.
    IceAges.gif

    Then the Ice Age.
    Little or Big.
    Are you prepared?
    Make a carbon foot print as you can and keep that ice age away.

    Notice the timing of the Hebrew Exodus, Roman Empire and Vikings too.


    Climate changes, just like the weather.
    And visa versa. :lol:





    PS - We're All Gonna Die. <horrible, seemingly slow, tortuous>
    Life has a 100% mortality.
    Today, the FDA would not license "life".


    POINT !

    Australia and California are as one on the same globe
    and some times our common core, mantle, etc. acts up.
    Even a few degrees of temperature change off the California coast
    can drive northern Pacific rain storms away.
    El Nino / La Nina and no one advocates the obvious.

    Is Australia in any manner better prepared for the future years of rain as may happen,
    than O.Z.Land was before?
    Unfortunately, those Mississippi containment gov't people
    do not appreciate the value of a flood plain.
     
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    If you google bitumen you will know it is another word for asphalt.
     
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    Unfortunately it isn't unusual at all, now. 15 years ago, they'd get the occasional 40 each summer - perhaps 2 or 3. Now, they see 10+ days at 40 or above every summer. Probably 20+ days in mid-high 30's, and the remainder at high 20's and low 30's. Very bad out there, and likely to get far worse with all the housing estates going up. They're all going in to previously well-treed semi-rural areas, complete with dams and creeks etc. Now, they're treeless wastelands, zero water bodies, and eave-to-eave masonry (thermal mass) McMansions with dark roofs.
     
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    hmmm maybe try a different contractor
     
  17. Bowerbird

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    I love how the right are busily trying to tell us it is not really hot

    Apparently it is all in our imagations or maybe it was because all the scientists from all the different countries in the world decided to defraud everyone
     
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    whoa wait...you guys constantly say weather isnt global warming.. which is it? Now its hot...in australia?
    Well either way...its hot...your roads are melting...if you believe its manmade GW, then why are you wasting energy needlessly by doing something inane as posting on an internet forum? Seems rather self destructive as well as hypocrtical.
     
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    Hyperbole

    Well I suppose it is better than idiotic half baked theories like scientists have got the measurement of co2 wrong because they are measuring it on a mountian and everyone knows co2 is heavier than air.........
     

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