Texas A.G.: Churches should consider armed worshipers or private security

"Christians"; can't even get along amongst yourselves.

 

Revisit the context.

 

So you can't use that as an example of a law prohibiting you from defending yourself since it is ruled unconstitutionsl. Care to try again?

And still waiting for your laws that prohibit living off the grid.

So far you are batting zero.

 

You can squawk "Pathetic" all you want and it doesn't undermine the validity of my position. The guy wasn't living in a trailer but in a modular home, but the state proclaimed it a trailer to enable them to condemn the guy's property, and why? Because he had all his own power and water?

Local and state ordinances are documented all over the country. You don't like to acknowledge that, so you sneer and strut and act like a pigeon playing chess. Right.

 

Look at the laws of New Jersey and then do a search for Carol Bowne. Tell me she wasn't prohibited from defending herself....

 

Sad but true, if there is a God, he has shown he is not gonna protect people in a Church

 

..... No.

 

"The lord helps those who help themselves."

Full disclosure, not a christian.

 

yep, putting your faith in a God to protect you would be foolish at best, as you say, even the bible says this and of course we have recently seen evidence of this

 

But why does that upset you? It's their choice.

 

I was encouraging it, how did you get that it upset me, it upsets me that humans do such evil things that people have to take these steps to protect themselves

I am not a Christian either, so I am not upset that a God did not prevent these things, I blame it purely on bad humans

 

Not sure how I came to that conclusion, something for me to look at. My bad.

 

Only the law in the district of columbia was ruled unconstitutional. The may issue standard demanding good reason is still in place in the states of New York, California, and any other state that gives law enforcement discretion in issuing concealed carry permits.

 

If I ever get shot in a place where I am legally not allowed to be armed, I am suing for not being allowed to defend myself. Anybody not allowing concealed carry should be responsible for security on their property. Not that I want that to happen.

 

if you choose to go there knowing that, that is your choice, you can't sue a church cause some criminal shot you there, personal responsibility, if you feel your not safe without your gun, and they will not allow you in with a gun, don't go there

 

I have yet to see a Church with metal detectors at the doors or ushers frisking people for weapons, firearms etc....

 

should church's have to allow people to enter armed or risk being sued? I do not think so.....

 

I was at a legal seminar warning Churches against people that purposely have fall downs in Churches in order to sue.

It is not about being Armed or suing, it is about defending Church members against assault by a murderer.

Then again, you say you are not Christian, so this affects you how ?
Banning firearms in Church only makes it easier to victimize.

Will that rule also apply to members that are Police Officers ?

 

not sure what your problem is, I never suggested they ban firearms, just that they should not be sued if they do

the choice is theirs, I support their 2nd Amendment rights and their right to not allow guns on their property if they choose, it's not my choice, I am pro-choice, their business, their choice

I also do not think they should be sued if they allow firearms and someone shoots someone, the person doing the shooting is at fault

it works both ways, do you agree with me on this? or do you feel Church's should be sued if someone gets shoot in their building?

not sure what my religion has to do with anything

 

I do not go around suing.

Also, if a Mosque has a rule, and I am not Muslim, why should I interfere ?

Or tell any Religion I am not a member of how to run its own in house affairs ?

My only contention is as a Retired Police Officer, and I make no secret of it at any Church I attend, and as a Deacon and ordained Minister, they are free to reject me if they feel offended at My being Armed, I will not change.

 

I was saying the church should not be sued for the actions of a mad man, woudl say the same about a mosque, a bar, a hotdog stand

I think we can all care about those things, we do not have to be of a certain religion to care, never said you should change, just that you should respect them if they say no guns allowed, that is their choice to make, not mine or yours

 

You are the one making a tempest in a tea pot, where there is none,, I am reminded of a gent that insisted he should be able to order pork in a Jewish Glatt Kosher Restaurant.

I find it ironic seeing as you have no Dog in this matter, I have Offered to Sue No one, so why are you, not a Christian, lecturing Me on Church policy I have ZERO interest in violating ?
Do you simply LOVE to ARGUE and ANNOY ?
Why meddle in something so remote that does not affect you in any significant way ?

If you want to restrict firearms in your business, home etc.... Have at it.

 

I see it differently. If a business, church, etc. is going to choose to ban people's ability to defend themselves from attack, then they assume the responsibility of providing proper security for their patrons. If they ban my ability to defend myself, and then fail to provide adequate security to prevent such an attack, which in turn enables a criminal or deranged psychopath to bring harm to me or my loved ones, then they should be held liable for that failure IMHO.

 

The first mass church shooting was in 1980. Since then chances are that one or more in attendance at any church service has been and will be packing. Time flies, as that was about ten years before the Luby's Cafeteria mass shooting.

We were in Nocona TX for breakfast Saturday, and half the men were packing. I felt very, very safe even though mine was out in the camper.