Texas A.G.: Churches should consider armed worshipers or private security

There's a saying that goes "call on God but row away from the rocks." When it's in your power to provide the necessary protection or provisions, you do so.

 

God helps you, but you also must prepare and try first and defend yourself.

"Thou shalt not tempt the Lord Thy God.."
In other words, live normally and prepare for winter go to a Doctor, etc...

 

There is indeed a deeply rooted distaste in the liberal/leftist philosophy that seeks to penalize self-sufficiency and independence. Look at the laws that penalize people for creating off-grid living, or which seek to force people to rely on the state for their needs... or to rely on government even for their very personal security; even though the courts have ruled the state has no obligation to defend individual citizens from harm...

Pursue independence and see yourself taxed, your property condemned, and your rights dismantled.

 

I have worked with, and trained dozens of men and women who are "ushers" that are quietly armed, positioned, and prepared for some sort of emergency. Sadly this was not the case in Texas last week.

 

How many nations are your peaceful people waging endless wars of occupation in at the moment while attempting to whip the masses at home into a frenetic frothy mouthed frenzy to engage in two more, and with nuclear war overtones? Where all is your peaceful people military occupying other lands simply to benefit the coffers of Wall Street and the “job creator” class? Who is THE arms purveyor to the world often supplying opposing sides of a given conflict?

Good fer you, I'm permitted too. Check out your gun violence stats, you're way off, I know what you WANT to believe, that ws never in doubt.

 

Think tanks and think tank legislation has never had anything to do with self-sufficiency and/or independence. Ask ALEC.

 

Not a beleiber in any of this male dominator god nonsense.

 

What does statement marked 1. mean exactly ?
And 2. Your gun violence stats......???

What Country do you live in ?
It is all somewhat vague.

 

Oddly enough, I listened to that interview, for whatever reason it was played throughout Australia.

Correct me if I am wrong, but the attorney general is a position that is voted for by Americans.

The sheer lack of logic of the bloke astounded me, he suggested the reason no one was carrying and able to stop the guy was that people in texas were confused by the gun laws in respect of churches and therefore did not carry in churches, because when you read the legislation it makes the average church goer confused.

The inference being had the gun laws been more clear that you could carry at church everyone would have been packing but this would not have happened. Now that is despite a poster on this site already confirming he is a texan and carrying at church.

He would like you to believe that before you gents take your guns to church or the mall or anywhere, you sit down go to whatever website has whatever laws you have on guns and check out whether or not to do it.

The issue I have with his logic:-
1 - I find it difficult to believe that every member of a congregation checks the gun laws / road licensing laws / any other laws that may be pertinent to their day before going to church and deciding whether to carry / drive or walk. I think the vast majority would drive if they feel comfortable driving and the same with a gun.
2 - At the time of the interview it hadn't been confirmed that 0 people in that church were carrying.
3 - To have actually had a fair gun fight with the bloke, you also want to attend church with some kevlar and heavier weaponry.
4 - The guy was ultimately stopped as I understand it by a civilian with a gun, thus, I don't think you can argue that the civilian population didn't do enough.

What is concerning to me about americans is the quality of the individual you guys vote in. Fair is fair, I am sure a good proportion of you didnt vote for this guy, but what about the proportion that did?

 

What are you talking about? My comment you quoted was replying to your comment about my "religion of peace". You were trying to compare Baptists with muslims. There is nothing to compare. We don't send out missionaries to behead people with machetes if they won't convert. Baptists don't start wars either.

 

The above simply goes to demonstrate just how difficult it is to properly understand matters of law, when even those who are tasked with enforcing the law cannot give a proper, coherent explanation of what the legislation does and does not do. Everything is written in such a complex and technical manner, referring to various sections and subsections, paragraphs and sub-paragraphs that must be cross referenced, that very few private individuals can realistically be expected to know just what is being said.

 

Members of most Black Baptist Churches by Doctrine and Tradition do not carry or even own firearms and those that do, will be a tiny minority and less than 2% of the total number of Church members.

 

Zero.

 

Which laws punish people for living off the grid? And which laws force people to rely on the government for their personal security.

 

Pffffffffffffffffffft, of course you did, look at how america was "settled".

 

Bwa ha ha ha ha, 7 enldess wars and counting, and half of Africa for starters.

 

None of which fit your description.

 

Here's an article about a military veteran who had his property condemned and faced prosecution if he tried living on his own property; simply because he set it up to be off-grid.

http://thinkaboutnow.com/2016/05/man-banned-from-his-own-land-for-living-off-grid4/

Most of the regulations attacking off-grid living are at the county or city level.

https://offgridworld.com/off-grid-living-is-illegal-sort-of/

Some counties require you to be hooked up to city water, period, and they will not budge on that or approve any other source. Some counties will not allow you to be disconnected from their utilities. Try it, and they'll cite you for "camping" on your own property.

Laws which restrict people's ability to possess the most effective means of self-defense.

 

America was not settled by Baptists.

 

Show me where the Baptists, Lutherans, Methodists, etc..... spread Christianity in a "convert or die" mentality in America. People today weren't around back then anyway, so did I start wars as a white person, as a man, or as a Christian?

The people in this church or any other Christian church in America were peacefully minding their own business. Anybody who bursts in and points a gun at another person deserves to be shot and I won't question their motive for shooting an attacker based on their religion, gender, race, etc........ The attacker provided a motive for them by threatening violence by pointing his gun at them and by pulling his trigger. I would say the same if a Christian barged into a mosque waving his gun. Hopefully I'll never have to.

 

Any law which makes the legal acquisition of a firearm essentially impossible, due to excessive requirements and regulations enacted for the sole purpose of discouraging firearms ownership.

 

So you got nothing. Why do you need to make stuff up. Pathetic. You can't come up with one single law prohibiting living off the grid or preventing you from defending yourself. One single law is all we ask. You know laws not BS.

 

So you can't come up with any law either. Sad. Your one example is a guy living in violation of zoning ordinance. Pathetic. The guy is living in a trailer which is not allowed in the city limits. That is by no means a punishment for living off the grid or punishment for violating any law about living off the grid. Care to try again.

And the second link is even more pathetic. Pretending that zoning laws are designed to prevent living off the grid is just really sad.

 

The handgun permitting law in the district of columbia that was recently ruled unconstitutional by the appeals court for requiring applicants to demonstrate a good reason for why they should be provided such a permit, with self defense not counting as a valid reason.

 

Manifest destiny pard, from Columbus' first thoughts.


“They…brought us parrots and balls of cotton and spears and many other things, which they exchanged for the glass beads and hawks’ bells. They willingly traded
everything they owned…They were well built, with good bodies and handsome features…They do not bear arms, and do not know them, for I showed them a sword,
they took it by the edge and cut themselves out of ignorance. They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane…They would make fine servants…With fifty men we could
subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want.”

Columbus, describing his first encounter with Native Americans


Feel free to peruse the Papal Bulls of the 1500s as well which call for the extermination of the indigenous peoples of the Americas.