Texas attorney general petitions state supreme court after woman who sued the state was granted perm

Who are you? What qualifications do you have? Were you there when those issues occurred? In other words you do not have any “skin in the game” and she may have decided to continue if the baby was normal but Trisomy 18 is one of the more devastating genetic outcomes. Her body her decision. Now tell me, if you were your sister/daughter/mother what would you do - March into the room and tell them to “get over it and continue the pregnancy”?

 

Depends on whether or not there is any evidence of “Mosaicism” and I would suspect she has already had an amniocentesis and has the answer to that

 

I don't think this entirely depends on mosaicism, as you seem to think.

Chromosome disorders can effect different children to different extents.
The disorder is usually caused by developmental hormone imbalances when forming in the womb.

 

And the degree it affects them depends on mosaicism and gene expression


This is why it can be often, not always, detected with amniocentesis

 

Amniocentesis carries risk too, can result in a 0.6% chance of undesired abortion.

 

Yes it does…….so?

 

I commend you for indulging these jokers with their ridiculous arguments, but I wouldn't waste my time. It's all falling on deaf ears, closed minds, and dark hearts....

In case you haven't noticed, the Texiban Supreme Court issued a late night stay "preventing" this woman from getting her abortion.

Yet another day I'm embarrassed to be an American...

https://www.cnn.com/2023/12/08/us/texas-abortion-ruling-attorney-general-petition/index.html

As I said earlier, I understand she's trying to make a point in addition to saving her own life, but she really should have had it done last night (day of ruling). A foolish decision not to, likely helped on by her lawyers...

 

I personally think she probably should have been granted an abortion, but it's not as if there was absolutely no reason whatsoever for anyone to oppose it.

20 weeks gestation is pretty far along and, in my view, is "a baby".

If you're okay terminating this pregnancy, you should be okay with euthanasia on newborn babies too, if we are to remain consistent.

The health reasons on the mother's side (not discussing the baby) were not really the most compelling. Of course they're trying to play up those medical issues hyperbolically as much as possible in this case and in these news articles.

(For example, it's claimed that having had a previous c-section will place her at increased risk, but that did not stop her from choosing to have a second baby before, after she had previously delivered through c-section)

 

No one gets special legal permission to do anything in order to negate future lawsuits. Sorry that's the way it works. If she is legal to terminate the pregnancy due to health concerns, anyone suing her will lose and this whole thing is unnecessary.

 

What other PERSON is there to consider….??

Oh, sorry….I forgot…Ken Paxton’s feelings have to considered…right?

 

Oh, yes it most certainly is…! Her future childbearing is at stake. But, like a few others here, you glossed over that, didn’t you? Your knee simply jerked into action with the “no, no, no abortions” response…

Excuse…?? It’s a reason and a RIGHT….

 

Who gives a toss about your opinion…!? The only consideration should be the decision this woman comes to, in concert with those who actually know what they’re talking about when it comes to medical issues…

 

How immensely generous of you…! I bet that woman is so grateful for your magnanimity …

Yes, there is…the decision, as painful as it obviously was,……is HERS ALONE…

 

As I keep saying, just because a decision can be difficult and painful, that does not necessarily automatically mean it should be all hers alone.

Though if the decision is difficult enough, I agree that after some threshold is reached, it should be left up to her.

Would anyone say the decision should all be left up to the mother if she thinks her born child would be better off dead?

 

1% of abortions - that is how many occur in the post viability stage and the majority of those are for foetal abnormality incompatible with life

 

The abortion in this story was pretty late, at 20 weeks, and you do not consider that to be "in the post viability stage".

As this story illustrates, many of those cases can be in a grey zone.

Asking whether this was a case of "foetal abnormality incompatible with life" doesn't precisely have a clear "yes" or "no" answer.

 

So some dead women don’t bother you, eh?
Especially if they’re the wrong kind of person to begin with.

 

Her chance of dying from a pregnancy like this was less than 0.3%, perhaps less than 0.1%

 

Now, see, you almost got there, but had to go and spoil it with that last stupid sentence…

 

Why do you invite conservatives?

 

Viability is around 22-24 weeks and although survival of these “micro premmies” has improved somewhat we have not been successful in lowering the age of survival

 

And where did you dig up that stat? It might be that level IF SHE WERE HEALTHY WITH A NORMAL FOETUS! she is already experiencing complications. The last thing a young mother with two kids needs is an amniotic emboli - and by the sounds of it her risk for that is significant

 

This is a great question and it appears to have been ignored.

 

Yes, it always is. This is a woman who already has two children and I can almost guarantee that the thought of leaving those kids motherless is factoring into her decision. There is a good movie “Call Jane” it is set pre RvW and it is about a woman who develops cardiomyopathy related to pregnancy (and even today we do not have a good handle on that one). The one of the most confronting scenes in the movie is her facing a panel of male doctors being told she could not have an abortion. These stories are playing out in every state that has restricted abortion access and the real reason why the Ken Paxtons of the world will not allow abortions is they KNOW that this has been the pattern of abortion legislation nearly everywhere in the world. It comes a cropper on the reality of maternal mortality

 

Oh! Goody a really really badly referenced graph

Riiiight! It is from a blog, a medical blog but still a blog and this bit was interesting

https://neonatalresearch.org/2016/08/19/long-term-survival-in-trisomy-13-and-18/

Considering that many of these babies have congenital defects requiring intensive and expensive surgery - who pays?