Texas ordered to pay $600,000 to same-sex couples.......

If the government doesn't require people to prove they can have kids, then clearly having kids is irrelevant.

 

But there is no genetic evidence. There are theories nothing more. Why would you elevate a sexual preference to the same level as race or sex for example with no evidence to support it in science?

I've seen many stories of men turning to gay sex in prison. I've never seen a white man go into prison and come out black and anyone believe them.

 

Name the issue. I've already named mine.

 

No, it doesn't fail at all. I've answered this a few times already. You simply disagree, or don't like hearing the answer...but it is the answer regardless. facts don't care about feelings of those who hear them.

There is no other reason for a Government to be interested in such a pairing at all. If there is, then please let me know what that would be. And don't come back with some nebulous "happiness" because we know no one gives a toss about that lol.

Good luck. if you get Govt out of the Marriage business, who protects those spousal rights you were concerned about?

 

No, people don't have to prove that Male and Female pairings produce offspring Questerr. We've known that for some time, even cavemen knew it.

People like you who try and dance around this stuff aren't fooling anyone.

 

Governmental created entities known as corporations do not have free speech rights as alleged by con artist judges.

 

That is not all the Federal Court ruled. Regardless of your feeling on the issue, the Federal Court of Appeals again ruled that only the rich having legal rights in this country. 95% of the population does not have $600,000 to go to court with, and this did not go to the Supreme Court, no jury trial and a summary judgment matter. That means 95% of people literally have no civil law rights under the law.

The legal industry has the slogan: "The American legal system is not perfect, but it is better than anyone else." That is only true if you are well into the top 5% income. If you are an average person? You have no enforceable rights under civil laws. Those exist only for the rich.

 

There is no reason a good looking straight man would choose to have sex with men. It's obvious that some people are sexually attracted to their own gender. Men 'turning to gay sex' in prison is a horrible example because that is done out of lack of options. In the free world, there is no reason a straight male would choose to go against his nature and sleep with a man unless homosexuality was natural.

 

The issue is identical. Sorry.

Choosing someone of a different race is a behavior. Choosing someone of the same sex is a behavior. Sorry.

 

rather strange comment to make, on the subject of same-sex.

 

That's the job of local law enforcement.

 

A considerable portion of them do not produce offspring. Statistically that assumption is not reasonable.

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-families-idUSBRE97Q0TJ20130827

Nothing to do with babies. Nada.

 

Nope. Totally worlds apart.

Sorry, but race isn't part of the Marriage criteria Gender and Number is. Failed again.

 

Which has 0 bearing on a Governmental interest in the Union, and why it is incentivized.

 

Sorry, this doesn't change a thing. if The governments interest in marriage has nothing to do with Family units contributing new taxpayers, then please...stop holding back...let us know what it really is.
I'm all ears.

 

Race used to be part of the criteria. You know about Loving v. Virginia, correct? This proves that the more we learn, the more we grow and the more we stop seeing "them" as less than "us." Sure, there are still people who think gay is yucky, but you are all losing this battle, because everyone is deserving of these kinds of rights. Now that everyone is figuring out that they have a gay brother/sister/friend/cousin/co-worker/aunt/uncle/daughter/son/niece/nephew... the idea that gay people are gross is dying.

 

I'll just repeat myself, and you simply do not see that if the incentive is baby making, a baby would be a criteria. Since it's not in the criteria for getting married, it's not a real factor.

 

Biologically, its not just reasonable..but completely understandable. Who incetivizes anything that doesn't benefit them in some way? What other benefit, if not offspring, does a Marriage offer a Government?

 

I know all about Loving. in fact I've answered this more than once already in this thread. Has 0 to do with "being gross", and just the simple fact it's a dead ender of a union and really has no reason to be promoted within a society. Noone cares if someone is gay. be gay all you want. We're talking about sanctioning Marriages.

Whats the benefit to society and the Government?

 

So there is none. Dodging it again doesn't fool anyone.

 

A happy populace.

A group of people who don't have to fear that their rights as the next of kin won't be recognized because they lack that piece of paper.


Let's reverse this - how are you (or society) harmed by two people getting married who won't produce children? (Including the 30% of hetero couples who won't have children.) Because, stay focused, if children is the only reason, then couples would have to prove they had children.

 

I see. Another nebulous non answer based in feelings. "happiness". So if the bar is happiness, then all gender and numerical restrictions should be removed right?


Afterall, the Gay mans "happiness" is no more or less important than the Polygamists "happiness" right? So why do we have to keep this a 1 to 1 union?

See how crazy it gets when you try and base things around feelings? Everyone has different ideas of happiness to themselves, and they cannot all be satisfied, nor does it make any sense to try.

it doesn't affect me one bit, nor does someone marrying 10 wives...but that's not what a Marriage is. It doesn't affect me if you call a Hamburger a Tube Sock...but it still isn't.

 

So silly

Straight Couple
Why should we get married?
State - because we need babies
I can have babies without marriage
State - we like the concept of a whole family
Ok, we'll marry, but we're not having any babies
State - that's fine

Gay Couple
We'd like to get married
State - no, you can't make babies
The couple in front of us will not be having babies
State - but, but.... uh, one penis one vagina!!!
But are babies required?
State - no
We'd like to get married
State - but you can't make babies.

Lulz.

 

Glad you agree.