The 2nd Amendment

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  1. Xenamnes

    Xenamnes Banned

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    And exactly what offense has been committed by members of the general public, to warrant a so-called "abridgement" of their second amendment rights to legally purchase, own, keep, and use, any firearm or accessory that is currently available on the private market?
     
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    Dear gun lovers,

    We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

    You may not be infringed in the keeping and bearing of Arms for the security of your State or the Union.

    Do we have Any security problems or not.

    If not, why are we wasting all that money on alleged wars on crime, drugs, and terror.

    Muster the militia until we have no security problems in our free State!
     
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    Dear Dalielpalos,

    Francium, ununquadium, calcium, krypton, oxygen, fluorine, francium, aluminum, niobium, dubnium, dysprosium, iridium, europium, actinium, lanthanum, radium, einsteinium, arsenic, dubnium, yttrium.
     
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  4. danielpalos

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    thank you for letting me know not to take You seriously about this topic.
     
  5. ralfy

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    Abridgement does not apply to the general public but to particular individuals and for various reasons given in the law. It also ranges from registration requirements to a ban on particular types of firearms.
     
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    The above statement contradicts itself in terms of language. The first sentence speaks of abridgement not applying to members of the general public, while the second sentence states that abridgement does indeed apply to the general public rather than particular individuals.

    Only one of the above standards can be true while the other cannot. So which of the above claims is the correct one?
     
  7. danielpalos

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    a refusal to muster and be Necessary to the security of our free States.

    your own elected representatives must believe you are a bunch of flakes with your Arms.
     
  8. ralfy

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    Abridgment refers to limitations to rights given various reasons. Given those reasons, it does not apply to everyone.

    For example, in a particular state, only convicts and minors are not allowed to own and use firearms. In the same state, a particular type of firearm is not allowed except for certain personnel but another one is for all except the two groups mentioned above. In all cases, there is no infringement on the right to bear arms, because that would mean a total restriction of firearms use for everyone.

    There is no contradiction.
     
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    Which of those powers allows congress to enact legislation that would prohibit the people of the several states from acquiring, possessing, or carrying arms?
     
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    I wish I could like this 1,000 times.

    Bots are to the point where the almost sound like people.

    I ignore bots.
     
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    The states, when they established their union, never gave it any authority to prevent their people from acquiring, possessing, or carrying arms.
     
  12. danielpalos

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    nothing but fallacy is all you have.
     
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    not enough morals to go around, right wingers?
     
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    That's a good policy, by ignoring such people you deny them what they seek and that is a reaction out of you, better to ignore them, allowing them to simmer because they cannot get control over you with simple words.

    You maintain the high ground and make them look like fools.
     
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    they need a superior argument, for that.
     
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    except for the traditional police power of a State.
     
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    i must have gotten over my problem with uncommitted arguments.
     
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    Bleep bloop.
     
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    The states, when they established their union, never gave it any authority to prevent their people from acquiring, possessing, or carrying arms.
     
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    silly bot.
     
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    Bleep bloop.
     
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    We have a Second Amendment and should have no security problems in our free States.

    Our Constitution is express not implied in any way.
     
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    Congress has no legislative authority to enact legislation that would prohibit the acquisition, possession, or carrying arms by the people of the several states.
     
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    Congress has every authority, in the federal districts.
     
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    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defense and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
    To borrow Money on the credit of the United States;
    To regulate Commerce with foreign Nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian Tribes;
    To establish an uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;
    To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
    To provide for the Punishment of counterfeiting the Securities and current Coin of the United States;
    To establish Post Offices and post Roads;
    To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times to Authors and Inventors the exclusive Right to their respective Writings and Discoveries;
    To constitute Tribunals inferior to the supreme Court;
    To define and punish Piracies and Felonies committed on the high Seas, and Offences against the Law of Nations;
    To declare War, grant Letters of Marque and Reprisal, and make Rules concerning Captures on Land and Water;
    To raise and support Armies, but no Appropriation of Money to that Use shall be for a longer Term than two Years;
    To provide and maintain a Navy;
    To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and naval Forces;
    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;
    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;
    To exercise exclusive Legislation in all Cases whatsoever, over such District (not exceeding ten Miles square) as may, by Cession of particular States, and the Acceptance of Congress, become the Seat of the Government of the United States, and to exercise like Authority over all Places purchased by the Consent of the Legislature of the State in which the Same shall be, for the Erection of Forts, Magazines, Arsenals, dock-Yards, and other needful Buildings;—And
    To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers, and all other Powers vested by this Constitution in the Government of the United States, or in any Department or Officer thereof.
     
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