The Answer To Our Problems, EV's

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  1. joyce martino

    joyce martino Well-Known Member

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    Just ask the Govt know it alls, and the EV's are the answer....Just need $50-60K at least up front and plenty of:

    Lithium, Manganese, Cobalt, Nickel and Graphite

    And use your EV for just around town, have that 2nd vehicle for longer trips.:headbang:
     
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    We could replace bike lanes with golf cart lanes
     
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    I think electric vehicles are in ecological disaster waiting to happen.

    And even though mining heavy metals is going to contribute to that I don't think it's the majority of it.

    These vehicles will not be practical as a full replacement until we have fast chargers. The sound of music if I can fill up a vehicle with a 30 gallon tank in a few minutes and drive 400 miles that is always going to be superior to one that takes three or four hours to fill up and they say there's fast chargers but if more and more people drive electric cars you'll have lines at fast chargers. If your third or fourth in line behind the line of fast charging people and they all have to spend 35 to 45 minutes there you're there for a few hours.

    So fast chargers are in absolute must.

    Four fast chargers use the same amount of energy as 230 homes. Gavin newsome and all of his stupidity was saying we need to install 1.5 million press charges across California. If you do the math that's the same energy as 86 million homes. The amount of power they will have to produce and they can't produce enough now is about six times what they produce. You can't do that with solar panels and windmills the solar panels and windmills are intermittent and unreliable you can't make the sun shine brighter or longer you can't make the wind blow harder so you have to build coal fired power plants.

    So one of the greenest developments to ever happen in our country ironically was fracking. Tracking made natural gas incredibly cheap which means power plants switched from burning coal to burning natural gas which produces about half of the greenhouse gas emissions.

    Human beings are either going to revert to the 18th century or electric cars are a boondoggle.

    Maybe in the distant future they will be viable and I'm thinking after we learn how to produce power through fusion. But until then they are an ecological disaster waiting to happen.
     
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    Funny that you mentioned that riding a bicycle produces more CO2 than driving a Corvette
     
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    joyce martino Well-Known Member

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    And yet it's Pure Stickin Lies that continue to flow from Biden's mouth,,,,he is either so so stupid or so so so out of it...and
    probably both and his audience listens to him.....:bonk::bonk:
     
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    E-Vehicles Are Like Covid Vaccines: Sold To Public Based On Wildly Unrealistic Exaggerations
    By P Gosselin on 9. July 2022

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    Breitbart here presents a report on Youtubers who compared an electric Ford F-150 pickup and a gasoline engine GMC Denali Ultimate Edition to see how far each could tow a trailer.

    The results of the electric Ford pickup remind me of the promises made by the COVID vaccine manufacturers: wildly exaggerated and probably more harmful than beneficial. As the video shows: you’d have to be a moron to buy either knowing what we know today.




    At the start of the trip, Ford’s onboard computer calculated the vehicle would be able to travel 160 miles (257 km) before needing to be recharged. The reality: only 85 miles, and that under ideal highway conditions! Imagine hilly country, in the wintertime. What a joke. . . .
     
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    Don't forget the lifespan of these new cars will only be about 10 years before the batteries have to be completely replaced. And replacing the batteries might cost 40% of the price of the entire car, so it may likely not even be worth it at that point and the car will go to scrap. (Will you pay $12,000 to get a 10 year old car working again when that car's resale value even if you do replace the batteries is now only $24,000 ? (Even today, when the transmission breaks on an old car it is usually not thought worth it to fix)

    Yes, very friendly on the environment to be planning cars to run out of usefulness after only 10 years.

    They'll claim the battery can last longer, but that is only if you don't use it very much.
     
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    A lot of people in big cities don't even have the room for two separate cars. They struggle to be able to find enough room to even park one car, and trying to find parking on the street is a nightmare because there are too many people with too many parked cars. Not to mention frequent break-ins in these higher crime areas if the car is not in a garage. Many city homes don't even have a garage space, or there may be many more adults living in the home than the garage space the home was built for. The newest city buildings are crammed into lots so small that there is not even enough room in the driveway to park a car.

    I was in one city neighborhood where the parking situation was so bad you could not even park in front of a home - any home - never mind your home. You had to circle around in the streets in the neighborhood, going around for 10 or 15 minutes to be able to find a street parking space, and then it would take you another 10 or 15 minutes to walk from that parking space - which you considered yourself very lucky to get, to get to where you wanted to go.

    I guess they are going to build electric charging stations on every available city curb where any car can park?

    I personally don't think people are really fully thinking it through everything that would be required to fully bring this reality to fruition.
     
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    And does this include a constant flow of lithium, nickel, manganese, etc that goes into the batteries..
     
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    Just heard a segment on EV's on a new program I'm hearing on Friday PM recently, the populous is NOT excited about EV, maybe 14% of the U.S now up from 4% two yrs ago. The danger and expense of them, oh brother.. And a person called in talking about
    how in Texas recently with the temps in the 100's, do NOT charge your EV during peak hours.....Major drain on the grid..
     
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    Tesla Motorists Frustrated To The Limit, Have To Endure Hours-Long Charging Delays In Extreme Heat
    By P Gosselin on 29. July 2022

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    Holiday makers frustrated by long waits to charge their Teslas in Croatia.

    Here’s more on the folly of electric cars. Those who own electric vehicles may feel good about their perceived CO2 reductions, but that good feeling rapidly disappears in real life in many cases when these crappy cars leave them stranded.

    Not only is the production of the raw materials to produce the batteries having a major impact on the environment, but so iis the disposal of the batteries.

    Moreover, we’ve heard horror stories of the expense required to replace the batteries after a comparatively short life, making replacement uneconomical. It is a truly a folly with vast dimensions. Expect the e-car to end up on the garbage landfills of history – right with the mercury-laden energy saving lamps no one talks about anymore.

    Germany’s RTL public broadcaster reports on how “Tesla drivers need nerves of steel on vacation in Croatia.” The Balkan country is a popular summer holiday destination for Germans, and other Europeans of course.

    Waiting hours in extreme heat to charge up

    According to RTL, dozens of Tesla drivers had to wait “in extreme summer heat in front of a charging station near the A1 highway in Otocac, Croatia, to charge their cars. Many are on their way from the capital Zagreb towards the coast.”

    Someone forgot to tell Tesla drivers that Croatia charging infrastructure still has a ways to go. “Croatian media report that the sparse development of charging stations is responsible for the traffic jam.” Supposedly the country has only 8 places where you can charge a Tesla.

    “According to Croatian authorities, this corresponds to the demand of currently registered electric cars in the vacation destination. The many tourists who take their electric cars on vacation have obviously not been considered in this calculation.”

    E-car motorists probably also were not told that the air conditioner also significantly reduces the range of their eco-friendly car, thus making more hours-long charging stops necessary. Welcome to the green new deal (stupid)!
     
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    Just heard from a new source who has come into my life and on our radio here Friday 7-9PM, he is so wise and we agree with just about everything that has GONE Wrong and is GOING WRONG in our lives....he talked about EV bikes in NYC exploding and people dying.....I have not looked up the info, but I believe his info.

    And the Killer Libs continue to push for everyone to get with Electric whatevers.....
     
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    Don't go scratching any Teslas now.... It's a very long waiting list. Be patient and yours will arrive.
     
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    It is rumoured that Ford isn't serious about making electric cars.
     
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    Oh BS and pay the 50=60K for one and stand in lines to charge the battery that may blow up.
     
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    If that's true it would be to their credit.
     
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    Ford is good, I bought my first auto from them a Mustang in 1968 and loved loved loved the car.....wish I still had it....talk about a keeper.
     
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    Our first car was a (very) used 1960 Ford Falcon. You could see the road through the hole in the floor board, but it ran for three years for us.
     
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    My daughter in her early 20's bought a beauty Mustang convertible I think it was 66 vintage or such and it was stolen...talk about a sad time in her early life.
     
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    Pretty typical of a mainstream manufacturer caught between the need to produce things customers like to buy and a government relentlessly promoting what they think customers should buy. You just kind of float along making what's required and waiting for the government mandates to collapse under the absurdity of their own wieght.
     
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    I didn't think it was a government decision. It's just too much money to retool and properly set things up. They produced a tokenistic electric car for a genuine market, but really they just want to make money in the short to medium term by milking the internal combustion engine to its death. It's all about money
     
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    Ford, like GM, scrapped their sedan lines to conserve capital for their EV investment. Business plan was to fund EV development by revenue from profitable SUV and truck lines. If that revenue slips then EV investment will decline.
     
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