The Crisis Facing America

Interesting. Trump, without question, props up Putin, and knocks our FBI's capability, knocks Mueller, and our press. Anyone who isn't questioning just who's side he/Trump is on, isn't paying attention.

>>>>Trump: "During today’s meeting, I addressed directly with President Putin the issue of Russian interference in our elections. I felt this was a message best delivered in person. Spent a great deal of time talking about it. President Putin may very well want to address it and very strongly, because he feels very strongly about it. And he has an interesting idea."


TRUMP: I called him a competitor and a good competitor he is.



REPORTER (Jeff Mason from Reuters): Thank you. Mr. President, you tweeted this morning that it’s US Foolishness, stupidity and the Mueller probe that is responsible for the decline in US Relations with Russia. Do you hold Russia at all accountable for anything in particular? If so, what would you consider them that they are responsible for?

TRUMP: Yes, I do. I hold both countries responsibility. I think the United States has been foolish. I think we have all been foolish. We should have had this dialogue a long time ago, a long time frankly before I got to office. I think we’re all to blame. I think that the United States now has stepped forward along with Russia. We’re getting together and we have a chance to do some great things, whether it’s nuclear proliferation in terms of stopping, we have to do it — ultimately, that’s probably the most important thing that we can be working on.

I do feel that we have both made some mistakes. I think that the probe is a disaster for our country. I think it’s kept us apart. It’s kept us separated. There was no collusion at all. Everybody knows it. People are being brought out to the fore. So far that I know, virtually, none of it related to the campaign. They will have to try really hard to find something that did relate to the campaign. That was a clean campaign. I beat Hillary Clinton easily and, frankly, we beat her. And I’m not even saying from the standpoint — we won that race. It’s a shame there could be a cloud over it. People know that. People understand it. The main thing — and we discussed this also — is zero collusion. It has had a negative impact upon the relationship of the two largest nuclear powers in the world. We have 90 percent of nuclear power between the two countries. It’s ridiculous. It’s ridiculous what’s going on with the probe.

REPORTER (Jeff Mason from Reuters): For President Putin if I could follow up as well. Why should Americans and why should President Trump believe your statement that Russia did not intervene in the 2016 election given the evidence that US Intelligence agencies have provided? Will you consider extraditing the 12 Russian officials that were indicted last week by a US Grand jury.

TRUMP: Well I’m going to let the president answer the second part of that question.

As you know, the concept of that came up perhaps a little before, but it came out as a reason why the Democrats lost an election, which frankly, they should have been able to win, because the electoral college is much more advantageous for Democrats, as you know, than it is to Republicans. We won the electoral college by a lot. 306 to 223, I believe. That was a well-fought battle. We did a great job.

Frankly, I’m going to let the president speak to the second part of your question. But, just to say it one time again and I say it all the time, there was no collusion. I didn’t know the president. There was nobody to colluded with. There was no collusion with the campaign. Every time you hear all of these 12 and 14 — it’s stuff that has nothing to do — and frankly, they admit, these are not people involved in the campaign. But to the average reader out there, they are saying, well maybe that does. It doesn’t. Even the people involved, some perhaps told mis-stories. In one case the FBI said there was no lie. There was no lie. Somebody else said there was. We ran a brilliant campaign. And that’s why I’m president. Thank you.


REPORTER (Jeff Mason from Reuters): President Putin, did you want President Trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that?

PUTIN: Yes, I did. Yes, I did. Because he talked about bringing the US/Russia relationship back to normal.


REPORTER (Jonathan Lemire from AP): Thank you. A question for each president. President Trump, you first. Just now President Putin denied having anything to do with the election interference in 2016. Every US intelligence agency has concluded that Russia did.

My first question for you, sir, is who do you believe? My second question is would you now with the whole world watching tell President Putin — would you denounce what happened in 2016 and would you warn him to never do it again?

TRUMP: So let me just say that we have two thoughts. You have groups that are wondering why the FBI never took the server. Why haven’t they taken the server? Why was the FBI told to leave the office of the democratic national committee? I’ve been wondering that. I’ve been asking that for months and months and I’ve been tweeting it out and calling it out on social media. Where is the server? I want to know, where is the server and what is the server saying? With that being said, all I can do is ask the question. My people came to me, Dan Coats came to me and some others and said they think it’s Russia.

I have President Putin. He just said it’s not Russia. I will say this. I don’t see any reason why it would be, but I really do want to see the server. But I have confidence in both parties. I really believe that this will probably go on for a while, but I don’t think it can go on without finding out what happened to the server. What happened to the servers of the Pakistani gentleman that worked on the DNC? Where are those servers? They’re missing. Where are they? What happened to Hillary Clinton’s emails? 33,000 emails gone — just gone. I think in Russia they wouldn’t be gone so easily. I think it’s a disgrace that we can’t get Hillary Clinton’s 33,000 emails. So I have great confidence in my intelligence people, but I will tell you that president Putin was extremely strong and powerful in his denial today. And what he did is an incredible offer. He offered to have the people working on the case come and work with their investigators, with respect to the 12 people. I think that’s an incredible offer. Okay thank you.<<

https://www.vox.com/2018/7/16/17576956/transcript-putin-trump-russia-helsinki-press-conference

 

Agreed. Traitors should be treated more harshly than spies.

 

I get it you think "awareness" is the same thing as knowledge so you don't have to listen or learn anything from your subjects of your prejudices.

I on the other hand delight in continuing to learn MORE things about subjects I am interested in or involved in.
Ignorance kills far more than knowledge.

 

So Obama and Hillary need to locked up good that we agree

We all have our own perspectives.

 

The idea of any American President entertaining the idea of letting Russians interrogate Americans is deplorable. Is there any doubt that if Obama had done exactly the same thing, the entire RW would have crapped themselves.

 

OK, if you want to talk like Trump I'll support your right to do that.

 

So in your deluded world view, those that call out the lying media are against the constitution, and are scumbags? I think most of the Jewish mafia media owners are most definitely enemies of the people. What does that make me? And please note that this does not apply to the Jewish people, just as saying the Italian mafia are evil crooks is not a slight against the Italian people.

 

I don't see any evidence of Obama's treason nor Hilary's although Hillary's corruption certainly needs a much, much closer look.

True.

 

"Interesting" is a word that people often use in response to something they don't like but don't want to say so at the time for various reasons.

 

More likely a british one since Smirnoff is now about as russian as you are.

 

Max is a knee- jerk never trumpster

But not entirely liberal on all issues

So I wont assume his position on Israel because he does have his lucid moments

 

He's a rabid defender of Israel no matter her crimes.

 

I knew you two would get along great!

 

The Democratic Party was founded upon the hatreds of bigotry, racism and war - defying the US Supreme Court to commit mass murder against non-whites - with the economic motive of stealing the land they owned.

This was followed by the Democratic Party trying to establish a slave nation in the Confederacy - also motivated by greed, leading to a war costing hundreds of thousands of live. Next came Democratic Party laws of forced racial segregation, outlawing interracial marriages, and oppression of non-white voters.

Racism and bigotry remains the core foundation of the Democratic Party. The motive is always the same: Greed. Murderous greed.

Now is it against "Russians." President Obama was 10,000 times friendlier and extremely helpful to the Russian government and Putin, but this really isn't about the Russian government or Putin. It is about racism and bigotry - who the Democratic Party demands racism and bigotry against - motivated as always by greed.

The Democratic Party officials never say "the Russian government" or "Russian intelligence," but rather just the raw bigoted and racists "the Russians."

You see this in a thousand messages by some Democrats on this forum too. Just as in the past anyone who opposed the Democratic Party's racism and bigotry against black Americans was called a "n*gger lover," now anyone who opposed the Democratic Party's racism and bigotry against Russians is called a "commie," "a Russian," and a "Putin lover."

Nor are the real motives of the demand to hate Russians lost on Europeans, for which the Democratic Party "progressive" racism and bigotry against Russians is at war with Europeans liberals. For example, as the Democratic Party demands more and more sanctions against Russia and the European nations comply, Europeans recognize this really is just the Democratic Party and warmongers advocating for Exxon, Mobile and the rest of the American fossil fuel industry.

For example, while claiming Germany is our "greatest ally," over 80% of Germans recognize the sanction solely are for the greed of the American fossil fuel industry trying to force Germany to pay 30+% for American natural gas - and a whooping 94% of Germans oppose the sanctions American racists and bigots demand against Russia.

The clear WAR between American "progressive" Russian haters and European liberals demonstrates that "progressives" are now the antithesis of "liberal." Rather, the progressive movement is really American corporate fascism and Democratic Party's traditional racism and bigotry.

The Democratic Party, now the corporate fascist party, is increasingly isolated in the world. Europeans intensely oppose American Democratic Party's fascism and warmongering racism and bigotry against Russia. No other nation on earth supports the Democratic Party's demand for economic warfare against Russia to try to starve Russians to death, with the real reason being American corporate greed.

The Democratic Party's racism and bigotry against Russians is making the USA an embarrassment to the entire world. No country in the world agrees, just as virtually all countries in the world opposed the Democratic Party's past goal of creating a race-based slave nation.

 

I used to live in Lithuania and I went to Kaliningrad many times (As a Republican I was probably colluding lol) we had some black Smirnoff that was distilled in Russia (Was printed on bottle) tasted exactly the same as the cheap no name Russian vodka but was 3 times the price

So I think no matter where it's distilled Smirnoff is overpriced crap.

 

Not just a Marine Corps veteran, son, but a Marine Corps officer. I doubt HS neo-nazis know this, but it's a Federal crime to impersonate an officer. That's why all the stolen valor asshats usually claim to be enlisted. Those that claim to be officers are arrested, charged and, after they plead out, sentenced.

I also fully understand why those who hate the military would never, ever claim to be a military veteran.

 

The motive is 100% greed and the tactic is 100% racism and bigotry.

The American fossil fuel industry wants to force the EU nations to buy American natural gas at 30+% higher prices than Russian natural gas - and the war industries and American intelligence community want all the money and political power that comes from a perpetual Cold War (and smaller real regional wars) against Russia. The Democratic Party is just doing the dirty work for the fossil fuel industry, war industry and American war agencies - in exchange for protection from prosecution and bribery. For the campaign, however, the Democratic Party and their talking heads do what they always do - try to facilitate racism and bigotry - this time against Russians as a people.

 

No, but the Democratic Party will do whatever Exxon tells it to do.

 

"Abraham Lincoln was the first Republican president, and Republicans were the face of Reconstruction and voting rights for blacks after the Civil War. Because of this, the South became solidly Democratic and stayed that way until World WarII."


The south is now Republican, but they can claim no relationship whatsoever to the party of Lincoln.

 

You like making stuff up don't you? You're no more a Marine Corps officer than I am a hater of the military, you just pulled both of those out of your ass.

 

Ok

I can see now that you're a true Renascence man

My apologies

 

The left generally embraces the French revolutionary tradition which is always a disaster for ordinary human beings and eventually for the radical activists that love the game. The Left that sacrifices freedom for perceived necessity has, historically, been a real enemy of humanity.

 

According to this forum, calling the sitting US President a secret agent of Russia does not qualify as a conspiracy theory.

But if you post a news article about RFK's son calling for a new investigation into his father's death, then that does qualify and will be immediately sent to the "conspiracy theory" subforum where no one will see it.

Just another example of how the establishment defines the narrative even on a supposedly objective and neutral political forum.

And those who define the narrative - its terms, assumptions, and frame - control what people hear and how they interpret it.

 

Birther threads get sent to the "conspiracy theory" subforum. That is where your thread belongs as well.

 

I defend Israel so maybe we will disagree on that