The death of the death of PC.

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  1. Questerr

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    So are rich whites also genetically inferior to poor whites? Because that report says the same regression happens to them.
     
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    Sorry, what is your evidence for all of this exactly? Is it somewhere in your post because I can't see it if it is.
     
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    No, the children of rich whites are genetically inferior to their parents, but still superior to the children of rich blacks.
     
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    Your link does not demonstrate that.
     
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    "Jensen (1973, pp. 107–119) tested the regression predictions with data from
    siblings (900 White sibling pairs and 500 Black sibling pairs). These provide an
    even better test than parent– offspring comparisons because siblings share very
    similar environments. Black and White children matched for IQ had siblings who
    had regressed approximately halfway to their respective population means rather
    than to the mean of the combined population. For example, when Black children
    and White children were matched with IQs of 120, the siblings of Black children
    averaged close to 100, whereas the siblings of White children averaged close to
    110.
    A reverse effect was found with children matched at the lower end of the IQ
    scale. "

    (emphasis mine)

    The whole paper demonstrates that whites are on average more intelligent than blacks and the difference is genetic.

    "No matter how much you jump, shake, wiggle or dance the last two drops go down your pants."

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    The IQ difference is the fact. What IQ actually measures, its accuracy in measuring it and what the source of the difference is is largely theoritcal or hypothetical even philosophical. Whether it determines your 'value' as a human being is just opinion.

    Its the opinion part that defines a persons racism. Are white people superior because they test as having a higher IQ? Is a person superior because of a higher intelligence? What about morality, kindness, EQ, and values?
    In my experience, high intelligence often makes a person less functional in society.
    So I would say that a less intelligent group of people isnt necessarily 'less than' the groups of higher intelligence.
     
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    And now you move to another area of the study where the results aren’t corrected for wealth/education.
     
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    Though it’s typically a pretty good indication that you’re not.
     
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    I know what Einstein said about IQ tests:

    “You Judge a Fish by Its Ability to Climb a Tree, It Will Live Its Whole Life Believing that It is Stupid.”
     
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    That’s a lot of alt left projection in one tiny post.
     
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    But the same regression to the mean. Black children of high IQ parents have further to regress to a lower mean (85) than white children (100).
     
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    High IQ wealthy parents or poor parents? That section doesn’t correct for that.
     
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    It is quite practical. It predicts how well a person will do in college and in intellectually demanding jobs. Our technological society rewards intelligent people with higher salaries.

    So long as you don't care that the less intelligent groups are also the poorer groups, I can live with that. It is the progressive insistence that black lack of achievement in socially useful functions is due to racism rather than lack of ability I object to.
     
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    In my case it means they have no idea what they are talking about and have almost certainly already lost the argument. Yes occasionally leftist do get it right, in that regard, but even a blind hog finds the occasional truffle.
     
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    All group intelligence measure are subject to a bell curve and the overlap between different race based bell curves is huge. Given that most standardized IQ tests don't actually measure IQ, but rather how much knowledge you have acquired by a given age, compare that to the average amount of knowledge acquired at that age and from that make assumptions about IQ. There is plenty of room for error in those assumptions. A lot of the problems are inherent in how the test was normed. AS I have said before in such discussions it is simply unfair to make assumptions about the intellectual capacity of a Kalahari bushmen based on a test that was normed based on the population of Sweden. The reverse is also true.
     
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    It is not a peer reviewed article.
    The overlap between Whites and Blacks is not huge. The average white has a higher IQ than 85% of blacks. And we are talking about the US population here, not bushmen.
     
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    Again has more to do with flaws with in the test than with anything inherent.
     
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    How do you know this? Do you have a peer reviewed study which demonstrates the flaws?
     
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    It fails to measure 'raw intelligence'. People who go to college or have had good schooling are more 'trained' to recognize certain numerical, geometric, or lingual patterns. Many IQ tests seem to mostly test your ability to recognize these patterns and to be able to do so in a timely manner. I would say that it is very possible that people who attend college have higher IQs not because they are more intelligent and therefore were more likely to go to college but because their education leading up to and in college helped train their mind to be more capable in answering questions that are commonly found in IQ tests.
     
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    Erm, no, it really doesn't.

    It's actually perfectly normal that the children of high IQ parents are closer to the mean.

    If this wasn't the case, all children of high IQ parents would have high IQ, while children of average IQ parents would occasionally be high IQ as well. So this would mean a constant increase of the total number of high IQ people.

    Regression to the mean is just the conservation of the proportion of high IQ people. Since high IQ people are occasionally born from average IQ parents, there has to be children of high IQ parents that regress to average IQ to compensate.

    It's zero evidence for genetic determinism whatsoever.
     
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    Fact is, high IQ is an aberration. So, it diminishes every gen.
     
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    Ashkenazi Jews? About 15 points off.

    Populations always have differences, but individuals within those populations may be extremely beyond their group, or very representative of it. Hence it is impossible to tell anything about someone based on their race.

    Far more worrying than intelligence are other cultural factors, like the fact that upwards of 70% of blacks are born out of wedlock, and upwards of 60% are born into single parent households. When there is no male authority figure in a childs life they are immeasurably more likely to get involved in violent and property crime.
     
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    I think it's more like we don't care. Call me any name you want, and it doesn't matter.
     
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    PC is another word for good manners and respect for others. Non-PC can and often does get vulgar and combative.
     

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