The Electric Car "Runs Out of Juice" With Consumers

Doesn't change the fact that wind generation is inconsistent,and weak. Beats NOTHING...but not hydroelectric, coal and natural gas fired plants, or nuclear plants.

 

besides tesla, the other electric cars just plain suck and are uglier than a monkeys (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*). nobody wants to pay $35k+ for a piece of crap flame thrower when you can buy a new mercedes c-class for the same price.

and lets not even get into the Detroit Electric crap heap they are coming out with that is hugely overpriced. but yeah, nothing but a big scam and a waste of money other than what Tesla is trying to bring to the table.

 

Because government "picking the winners" of taxpayer dollars, short circuits the truest test of ANY product: the MARKET...as the OP demonstrates.

Let the people WILLING TO INVEST THEIR MONEY take it forward. It's like ESCs..why do their proponents ALWAYS NEED TAX MONEY?

Because PRIVATE INVESTORS, know that DO NOT WORK. Same with electric cars/current battery tech.

Private money is ALL OVER the research for the room tmeperature super conductor...for GOOD REASON. The discovery of an affordable one, will revolutionalize ALL THINGS electric...cars included, by drastically reducing the amp load needed to "push power".

THEN, we'll have COOL electric cars, that people can afford.

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They cannot grasp that everyone isn't dying to SACRIFICE their hard-earned money, on poor performing , ugly vehicles.

 

I'd pay 35K for a car that saved a life, and ended the MIC!

 

And yet, the oil industry wouldn't be around today if it weren't for the Gov't assistance. I'm not saying the gov't has to get into every industry and nationalize them, but in certain situations (like bailing out GM, and investing in Tesla) it works. Sometimes it doesn't (bailing out the Banks). Its a matter of picking and choosing carefully because sometimes the Market doesn't want what it needs because its not profitable right now.

 

You'd also post irrelevant nonsense. People want cars that WORK,well enough to BUY,and, as the OP link shows, NOT VERY MANY are buying EV's, at least now, anyway.

People are concerned about getting to work, and getting their families' needs met, not "saving the world"....when electric cars are WORTH OWNING TO THE AVERAGE FAMILY, people will buy them.

Single, childless Leftninnies think that they are the "norm"....

 

Ol' Gork, sometime I find it hard to reach common ground with your points of view, but I have to say well done in your responses. They where informative, accurate, and most importantly funnier than hell. Thanks for the laughs.

 

Bull' the oil industry was around for a VERY LONG TIME , without ANY "assistance".

What "assistance" are you talking about? TAX BREAKS?

Not even CLOSE to HANDING COMPANIES CASH MONEY, from the TAXPAYERS' coffers, by any stretch of the imagination.

 

This is like the argument where you can't wear your consumer hat, and your American worker hat at the same time huh?

I can't be concerned with the effect my purchase has on the world, along with wanting a quality product right?

Only one or the other, but not both.

Why if you were concerned about both you would have evolved past lizard brained thinking into a actual primate!

 

You are clearly growing more intelligent, with time....

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They are not mutually exclusive, FOREVER, but people with children have more practical concerns, than making a "political statement", with their VEHICLE PURCHASE.

They NEED value for their money.

 

Would these be the same people who when they need food stamps you tell them they should have thought about that before having kids?

 

I hope not.

 

How convenient for you.

 

As great as electricity is, it doesn't come easy.

It takes a great deal of mechanical energy to create electricity and unless that mechanical energy comes from wind or water, it has to come from fuel.

There's (probably) not going to be any big break through in the production of electrical energy until someone finally figures out how to harness fusion.

 

Because politicians who don't even know ohms law demand it.

 

they have made much progress and as the ops article explained, the battery is still needed to catch up, but until then we will need a gas generator to operate when the battery is depleted on long trips

 

Ah my apologies. Twould seem they got the subsidies to push them to drill to prepare for WW1. Its only really been around since 1860 and onward.

But, I still say that their is a marked difference in the investment of both industries. For a new industry, the first 15 years is key and the difference in investment level is marked.

http://cen.acs.org/articles/89/i51/Long-History-US-Energy-Subsidies.html

 

Or a wing nut doing the same thing. You don't measure the output of a windmill in amps. Amps measure the pressure needed to make the current move through the line (or that line's maximum capacity) Like driving head, if you know what that is.

Besides, wind power engineers has long since worked out solutions to wind power at low rpm's.

 

Tell them to "get a horse".

There are several million hybrids on the road in the US right now, all providing practical, reliable and energy effecient transportation.

EV's only await the development of practical and economical storage technology.

Of course, you will discount the possibility that this might happen.

It's fundamental to the backwards looking world view.

There can be no progress. Technological problems are insurmountable, and there will be no breakthroughs.

That's core to your dismissal of the potential of alternative energy technologies. You have to discount even the possibility that science will solve these problems.

When enough energy shines on a match cover to light an entire home, there's no doubting the potential. Nor, based on history, is there any doubt that someone will find a way to harness it, store it effectively and make it pay.

Denying that possibility seems to be a core belief with you.

 

Wingers always completely discount the savings in operations and maintenance costs.

It's comical to pull into a gas station in a Prius and sit across from the guy with the big SUV with a faded Bush/Cheney sticker. I can fill my car up, go inside, get something to drink, hit the head, come back out and leave before the other guy is finished pumping his gas. I'll go twice as far as he will before the next gas station, and it will only cost me half as much to get there.

 

stimulating innovation seems to be a terrible thing to conservatives.

With that attitude none of the tranformative american innovations of the last century would have occurred.

Developing safe high output cheap energy storage will be economically, socially and politically tranformative.

Perhaps that is why conservatives don't seem too enthusiastic about public investments.

It will disrupt the largest most profitable industry in history eventually rendering its principle role to chemical manufacturing.
Of course that would add a few thousand years to the life expectancy of current oil reserves, while cutting down pollution by several orders of magnitude.

 

As it has for the last 125 years, the electric car has been betrayed by the limitations of battery technology.

But there is hope for electric transportation. it's old tech, available off-the-shelf and does not need any breakthoughs in batter y technology.

Direct electrification of America's freight railroad mainlines. A quarter million barrels of oil a day go down locomotive injectors and well over 90% of that in in mainline operations where they are moving massive tonnages from point A to point B.

Once that were done, you could likewise electrify truck lanes on major Interstates.

These two things reduce use of petroleum motor fuel and connect the transportation system to stationary electric power generation, be it natural gas, nuke coal, or even solar or wind (in limited niches).

Forget the battery and put up the catenary.

 

Current (amps) is a measure of charge (coulombs) moving from point A to B. 1 amp is equal to 1 coulomb per second.

"Pressure" would be a measure of potential energy between point A and B, which would be voltage.

The generator's output would be measured in kilowatts.

 

Uh-oh....their eyes are REALLY crossing now....I can't wait until they GOOGLE "Ohm's Law" and then come back trying to pretend that have the faintest clue about its implications to LOW CURRENT generation.