The End of Abortion in America is Coming Soon Part 2

So far I haven't seen evidence OF it......

 

So you can just say anything you choose because I can't prove you're wrong? LOL, your credibility is already gone.

 

I can provide proof, you can't. Deal with it.

 

They are not facts, they are allegations by a pro-life legal group.

http://www.lifenews.com/2015/09/24/...ion-in-fraud-and-abuse-with-taxpayer-dollars/

 

Okay. Allegations that have not been disproved.

 

That doesn't make them true, they are still only allegations.

 

blah blah blah .. again the same old talking points filled with lies and strawman arguments.

Really, so in a pregnancy that would kill the woman abortion is not a good thing?

Except when the pregnancy kills her that is.

not ignored, just shown to be a pile of BS that YOU ignore.

correct, and yet here you are proclaiming that it is never good, and that it has mental consequences .. tell me if "Only a pregnant woman can really know what it is like mentally to terminate the life of their child." how do you know?

Agreed .. but there again no one is promoting Promiscuity.

Again reading other peoples minds.

Maybe back in the 1950's, not so much today . .the Scarlett letter brigade no longer mean very much.

If they are adults it isn't my choice what they do .. neither is it yours, what other people think is up to them.

Assumption

Strange isn't it, you bewail people who use extremes and yet here you are doing the same .. Promiscuity and Abstinence are the extremes of sexual behaviour.

No it is not, abortion and contraception are linked, and there is plenty of evidence to show that contraception reduces abortions .. you just choose to ignore it.

 

Neither have they been proven.

 

Okay. The burden of proof is on the one making the allegations.

 

don't be silly Cady, don't you know that pro-lifers never have to prove their accusations .. where as pro-choicers ALWAYS have to prove they are wrong

 

Even if there were a situation where a woman's life is at risk and the pregnancy had to be aborted to save the life of the mother, (a situation that never happens), yes, abortion is a bad thing, because it terminates the life of the child, right? Isn't that a bad thing? Can liberals never acknowledge that losing a child in utero is a sad thing? Or do liberals cheer when women have miscarriages?

Let me just repeat that line, "A woman is always better off not getting pregnant than undergoing an abortion." If you are not pregnant, then there is zero possibility to die from it.

I don't think the pro-life celebrities that have expressed the mental anguish and physical harm done to them because of their abortion experiences are a pile of BS. If you missed that particular post, you can find it here. Of course, their experiences are just a fraction of the bad experiences that happen everyday to ordinary average Americans everyday.

I suppose that you can tell me or show me just one testimonial from a single woman who can say that she enjoyed getting an abortion and likes getting pregnant just so she can abort it. Like I said, abortion is never good.

Liberals promote promiscuity through music, the media, TV and movies. They promote sexual liberation theology. They promote the ideas that people should be free to explore their sexuality without stigmas when instead they should be teaching young people to have respect for their bodies. Your body's a temple, not a seedy rent by the hour motel.

No, I'm attaching stigma and consequences to promiscuity.

Young women have committed suicide because they were shamed on the internet, on social media. The Scarlet Letter has now gone high tech.

If they are an adult, sure it is their choice, but is that what you would want? I don't know anyone who would say that they want their daughter to be the town slut.

It's not just an assumption, it is a possibility that a woman can be put into increased dangers because they put themselves into situations by being promiscuous.

I don't know what you mean.

Contraception is a separate argument from abortion if we agree on contraception, why do we need to argue that in the abortion debate?

 

Right. So they proved it in the article. So where is the proof that the article is a lie or false or untrue?

 

Uh no. They made allegations in their report. Even my Life News link said ADF "alleges..."

 

And again, you ignore the fact that a large percentage of abortions are performed on married women. If the average married woman is having sex 100 times a year - and contraception is effective 99% of the time ... well. Are these women being irresponsible? Not really. Are they being promiscuous? Not really.

So either married women have to stop having sex with their husbands, or we have to accept the fact that s**t happens.

 

I understand that. Where is the proof that the allegations are false?

 

How much is a "large percentage"? Is that a majority of abortions? What percentage of those unwanted pregnancies result in abortions vs childbirth? Most abortions are elective for convenience. That is the bottom line. Thus the need for a vast majority of abortions could be avoided. Women who are married shouldn't be aborting their own legitimate children. They may need to double up or triple up on protection if not getting pregnant is that important, or just switch to more reliable methods like vasectomies or tubal litigations.

 

Can you name any major news outlets that have reported the allegations that ADF is making?
Link/s please?

 

Why would liberal news media outlets report facts that hurt their pro-abortion narrative?

 

Here is a link to the actual report. It is a compilation of government audits:

Alliance Defending Freedom’s Annual Report on Publicly Available Audits of
Planned Parenthood Affiliates and State Family Planning Programs​

If you want to know so bad if the report is reliable then why don't you just follow the link to the sourced material itself?

 

Why would conservative media outlets report facts that hurt their anti-abortion narrative?

 

I was not aware that every major news organization is "liberal".
When did that happen?

 

It isn't just a compilation of government audits. The audits are listed, BUT it is only the OPINION of ADF that “total of more than $129.7 million in waste, abuse, and potential fraud in federal and state family planning funding programs..." were found.

For example, the report criticized PP for...

Planned Parenthood's PAC is funded by private donations, NOT by taxpayers, so how PAC money is irrelevant. It is also a blatant lie that PP donates to politicians who "shield them from investigations and audits." No organization is more heavily scrutinized than PP, and yet opponents find it necessary to fabricate PP wrongdoing.

 

Abortion is a good thing when it saves a woman's life.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2012/10/19/abortion-mother-life-walsh/1644839/
Abortions are sometimes needed to save the lives or health of pregnant women, several medical experts said Friday, countering comments that were made and then partially retracted by Illinois Rep. Joe Walsh. Even a leading group opposing abortion, the National Right to Life Committee, issued a statement saying that its position is "to allow abortion if necessary to prevent the death of the mother."

I don't think you're getting any argument about that, but the point of considering abortion is the point where a woman is already pregnant.

Surveys have shown conclusively that women who chose abortion are satisfied with their decisions. That is not to say that they don't wish they weren't in the position of having to make that choice. Women who suffer "mental anguish" probably had mental problems before the abortion, that too is shown in surveys. Physical complications from abortion are very rare, abortion is much safer than childbirth.

Once again, abortion is good when it saves a woman's life.

Liberals are not in charge of all music, the media, TV and movies. Liberals do not promote promiscuity or sex, but they are usually realistic about expecting young people to remain abstinent.

Please, you have failed to tell us although you have been asked, what defines promiscuity? How many partners? And it's quite clear that you intend unmarried pregnant women to suffer stigma and consequences and you are willing to use children to punish them.

I don't think young women are ashamed of choosing to have sex.

How many partners are required to qualify for sluthood?

Young women, or men, for that matter, can be put in dangerous situations whether those situations involve sex or not.

Many anti-choicers also object to contraception, some of them voice it publicly and others are quiet about it hoping to criminalize abortion before they lobby against contraception.

 

So, you think that abortion is good when a woman loses her child, because it was a life threatening situation? No, the life threatening situation is bad, the fact that she had to have an abortion, that's bad, the fact that she lost a child is bad. Why can't you acknowledge that? How can you say that losing a child is a good thing?

Right. But it is best not to have an unwanted pregnancy by avoiding getting pregnant. That is the point.

I have seen surveys that say the exact opposite. I think that surveys and studies are done many times we predetermined outcomes for political reasons. But if you want to use a survey as a means of ignoring what is actually going on, what is the factual and provable physical and mental and social harm done by abortions that is your prerogative.

Okay, you go ahead and celebrate the loss of a woman's child. I don't think the woman will be celebrating, but morning.

I didn't say they were in charge of all music, the media, TV and movies. But you're just in denial to say that liberalism is a big influence and that they do promote promiscuous behaviors.

I didn't create the word and I don't have to quantify it to make my statements about it true.

I don't know what you mean using children to punish women.

Okay still ignoring what is going on in the modern world. There have been many cases of girls committing suicide
because of public shaming on social media.

Again, I have to quantify it? I don't think so.

It is always best to avoid risky situations and to say that risky promiscuous sex is not more harmful than not is just again ignoring the problem.

Who is anti-choice? Choice is a good thing. Everyone is for having a choice. That is a really bad misnomer and the pro-abortion crowd needs to come up with another name for itself. It's blatantly deceptive. As for contraception, I am not one of those who object to it so don't cry to me about that. That is just another strawman as far as I'm concerned.

 

You are in denial and ignoring reality, Ectopic pregnancies, pre-eclampsia, HELLP syndrome, and Amniotic Fluid Embolism are life threatening to the female.

no more or less than killing another person who threatens your life .. tell me is that a bad thing?

Of course it is sad . .the rest of your strawman comment is treated with the contempt it deserves.

and let me repeat that a woman cannot tell the future so how the hell does she know that her pregnancy could end up in a life threatening situation to her?

Just as many express no remorse for their abortions .. funny how you only ever display one side of the story .. its called confirmation bias by the way.

As expected you evaded the question, so I'll ask again tell me if "Only a pregnant woman can really know what it is like mentally to terminate the life of their child." how do you know?

What utter and complete BS and obvious that you have no idea what modern comprehensive sex education is.

no you are attempting to read other people's minds or can you explain how you know it leads to "low self esteem, and a lack of self respect for a woman's own body." . where is your evidence?

Prove it, you make all sorts of assertions but rarely provide any evidence to support them .. it's called a naked claim BTW.

and as I said what I want has no relevance to what an adult daughter (or son) of mine does, unlike you I don't spend my time trying to force what I want onto other adults.

Still an assumption .. I wonder if you realize the situation you place your daughter in if you deny her comprehensive sex education, you do know that there are girls out there who believe they cannot get pregnant the first time they have sex don't you?

Oh I believe you do .. you bewail people who quote rape etc in relation to the abortion subject usually by saying it is such a small percentage, and yet here you are using extremes which are themselves small percentages in order to promote your own ideology .. they have a name for people who do that.

But we don't agree on contraception do we, and certainly not on comprehensive sex education .. both of which are very relevant to abortion.