The evidence is unnecessary

Allowed "man" to enjoy? Are you referring to all humans when you say "man", or are you referring to man only. Do you infer that a woman isn't allowed the pleasures that God created? IMO, women are closer to God than men are, and as such are permitted every pleasure that a man is permitted to have. God isn't a sexist.

 

The fact that there are numerous posts in this one thread alone discussing whether or not God exists might be proof that God is omnipotent. Atheists claim not to believe in God, but they must believe in God to a certain extent or they couldn't reject the idea that God is real. Is it possible to reject something that isn't there? That everyone in the world with a big enough IQ contemplates whether or not there is a God is a mighty powerful fact. I suspect that believing in God is optional, but I think atheists are the ones that lose out by denying God because belief in a pure, intangible, and pervasive God is a pleasurable thing.

 

I deny dragons, fairies and unicorns with virgins riding on their backs as fictional also, so why not god just another made up fiction until proven to me otherwise.

 

I don't believe that God makes anyone do anything. We are free to choose whether of not we want to believe. The contemplation of whether or not there is a God is, IMO, evidence of an Omnipotent, all-pervasive, non-judgmental God. No one is going to hell for not believing in God; but IMO, their lives are a little more diminished.

 

Point taken. Still the fact that you are participating in this thread is proof that you think about God. You deny God, that is your right; but you can't deny that you think about God.

 

Is that why scientist are looking for the God Particle?

 

What is this nonsense? The fact is, we're talking about claims that an imaginary mythical creature exists. Would a thread about the Easter Bunny mean it was all-powerful??

What is this nonsense? What atheists reject are the claims made by theists. The claims exist, the idea that God is real is unsupported.

If not caring about whether what one believes is true or not is a pleasurable thing, you can keep it. I prefer my beliefs to be at least probable.

 

You wouldn't be arguing in a 24 page thread about whether or not the Easter Bunny is real; but thanks for capitalizing "Easter Bunny".

 

Imagine a world where just about everyone believed in the Easter Bunny. So much so, they put "In Easter Bunny We Trust" on the currency, added "one nation, under Easter Bunny" to the pledge of allegiance, the President of the USA and all candidates ended each speech with "Easter Bunny bless America." In that world, I'd post to Easter Bunny threads.

 

Like many people, you believe that Jesus is not divine.

 

I mean all humans. Women are closer to God. No, the level and degree of a person's faith determines his closeness to God.

 

I believe He was divine as the original meaning of the word "divine" is soothsayer, or teller of the truth.

 

But he wasn't very smart, for sure, because even though he claimed to be this high and mighty moral leader he was too stupid to simply tell them to end slavery w/in the next 40 years or so. So he's obviously not all-knowing, so probably not all-powerful, so probably not going to grant anyone "eternal life" after they die.

 

Lots of "probably". Don't assume I am some fundamentalist or evangelist. I am not. I have my own beliefs about God; and nothing you can say will change my mind. Evangelists bug you to believe in their version of God, and you buy people to not believe in God. I do have a mind of my own.

 

Whoa, contradiction city!!

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Yep, even though I've never met you I'm now 100% convinced that you are indeed religious.

 

I have never liked or paid much attention to organized religion. I would have been considered a heretic back in the time of the Inquisition.

 

"He hath blinded their eyes, and hardened their heart; that they should not see with their eyes, nor understand with their heart, and be converted, and I should heal them."
John 12:40

In whom the god of this world (sounds like Satan ) hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.
2 Corinthians 4:4

 

And Jesus would have sat idly by while people acting in HIS NAME tortured you, tortured you, and tortured you some more for his religion...and then Jesus would see to it that you were tortured some more in his lake of fire after his minions tortured you to death in this world. Sadistic SOB.

 

Do you insult Mohammed with as much enthusiasm? How about Buddha? Jesus wasn't the one doing the torturing. It was small-minded men. Jesus didn't say he was going to stick around and protect his followers from idiots. In fact, he warned his followers they would be "tortured" in his name. You should spew your anti-religious rhetoric around equally. Your preference for hating the Christian icons and Deity is showing.

 

Folks, have I ever questioned Mohammad? Hehe.

Jesus will see to it that people get tortured for "eternity" for simply not believing in him, no matter how moral a Hindu, Buddhist, Atheist is.

If you cared about people (I assume you do), and you had Jesus' super-powers, and they were torturing in your name, you'd educate them so that they would mostly stop....Jesus didn't do that - the torture continued for many many years. He has blood on his hands. You are more moral than Jesus because you would have educated them, using your magic Jesus super-powers. I would have, but I'm more moral than Jesus. I care about people more, and so do you.

 

Jesus doesn't have blood on his hands. Man has blood on his hands.

The story goes: Jesus ascended into heaven when he was around 33 years old. Part of the intrigue of the story is waiting for Jesus to return. Then, as the story goes, the poo will hit the fan. He isn't responsible for the torture, and he went to the pie in the sky, so he's not here to stop it--according to the story. I don't think Jesus was a superman-like, comic book character. His 'miracles' included healing people, bringing people back to life (they were probably in a coma, or unconscious, modern day medicine can bring people back to life; and if the body of the person who seemingly died is kept at a low temperature, we can bring people back to life even after three days). I don't believe in magic. The miracles Jesus performed can all be done today with the exception of walking on water. On the other hand, if the water was partially frozen he could walk on it, or if he had some kind of anti-gravity thingy. The immaculate conception was probably in vitro fertilization. Anyway. . . I believe there is a logical explanation for all the things Jesus did and said, but we would not know that until the 20 century with the advent of antibiotics and western medicine in general. I think of him like I think of Nikola Tesla--a man out of time.

You better hope none of the story about Him is true because you have accused Him of horrible things. Like the story says: 'All things can be forgiven, except blasphemy of the Holy Spirit'.

 

With great power comes great responsibility, and Jesus is all-powerful (allegedly), can hear our prayers, and magically intervene in the world (going around the rules of science) to help Christians who shamelessly beg to him ("prayer", the lazy bums.) Stop giving someone with that much (alleged) powers a pass.

 

On the contrary. Perhaps you should read up on intuition and how people such as Einstein lean on intuition as a valid source of knowledge.

 

How do you know that the images in your mind are not delusions? After all, those mental images are not so physical that you can physically pull one out of your mind and handle it or otherwise examine it.

 

Intuition is not pulling something out of thin air, It's origins are in subconscious associations. Belief can be pulled out of thin air, but knowledge cannot.