The Global Warming Fraud

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  1. wyly

    wyly Well-Known Member

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    I pay three monthly fees for garbage and recycling for my home, I paid waste disposal fees for my contracting business...carbon tax is no different, you pollute you pay to clean it up, if don't want to pay it carbon fees cut down on carbon emissions...I drive less, my home is better insulated, high efficiency furnace and water heater... it's better than the fees I pay for material recycling I can't escape those, Carbon tax can be avoided...
     
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    Yep. Same with gasoline tax; at least as it was originally conceived in my home state. The more you drive the more you harm the road and the more you have to pay for the repairs. It's completely fair because it puts the burden of maintenance on those who are using the roads the most.
     
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    Man made global warming is a myth perpetrated to enact the carbon tax, which is basically a return to feudalism, and would enslave the common man.
     
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    wyly Well-Known Member

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    and "conspiracy theorists" is a polite way of saying mentally unstable paranoia
     
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    iamanonman Well-Known Member

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    That is simply not true. Carbon taxes weren't even proposed until the 1970's or 70+ years after global warming was first postulated. And the purpose of a carbon tax isn't to enslave the common man at least no more than a gasoline tax or waste disposal fees enslaves you today that is. The purpose is to incentivize the common man to emit less carbon and stave off being enslaved by the environment harm that it causes and to use the money to remediate the damage that has already occurred. And this won't return us to feudalism either. Remember, the common man gets to dictate how much carbon tax they pay. It's a pay to play system just like how gasoline taxes work to repair the damage to roads or how waste disposal fees work to clean up garbage so that it doesn't pile up in the streets.
     
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    Which is exactly what global warming is, a conspiracy theory.
     
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    Orchestrated by the Illuminati I'm guessing. Right?
     
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    Mostly multi national corporations who will be granted all carbon credits, and which will have to be purchased from them by everyone else. It is quite a brilliant scheme though, seeing as there is nothing a person can do including breathing without generating carbon. By controling carbon production, you enslave the entire human race.
     
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    wyly Well-Known Member

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    solidly backed by science, every country and every scientific organization on the planet...and you got what, nada....oh wait! you got paranoid delusions about international socialist conspiracies trying to steal your money...
     
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    Why do liberals fabricate facts? Do they think no one knows the truth? https://www.factcheck.org/2015/09/santorums-climate-consensus-claims/ Fact check.org debunks your statement.
    Another fact you may want to consider is where do you think scientists get their paychecks from? Let me help you with this one, almost all scientist pay comes either directly or indirectly from CORPORATIONS.
    The same corporations who will be awarded all the carbon credits should a carbon tax be enacted.
    Hmm, well I am sure that is just a coincidence.
     
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    Sigh...no. Fact Check is actually consistent with wyly's statement and debunks Republican senator Santorum's statements.

    Most scientists are affiliated with universities. Some are affiliated with government organizations like NASA and NOAA here in the United States. There actually aren't that many that are affiliated with corporations.

    Of the AGW skeptics there is a disproportionate skew towards them being funded by corporations mainly in the fossil fuel industries. I know...shocking...right?

    It's probably just a coincidence that the AGW skeptic scientists get their funding from fossil fuel based corporations. Total coincidence...I'm sure of it.
     
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    You're a lot better off going with the Illuminati.

    Just sayin.
     
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    Obviously you did not read the link,
    So far as where scientists get their money, it all comes from corporations, especially those employed by universities. Who do you think build the laboratories and fund the studies? You really do not have a lot of practical knowledge in this area do you?
     
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    Logical fallacy is the last desperate resort of a lost argument. Just sayin....
     
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    Can you make a logical argument as to what you think is the cause of the warming being observed today?
     
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    Bad instrumentation, poor statistical smoothing, dishonest data collection and maintenance.. Shoddy modeling... There's quite a list...

    Oh, and whatever are we going to do about volcanos again? Do we really have to nuke them shut to turn off the CO2 spigots they are?

    I bet when the orbit fluctuation that puts earth farther from the Sun combined with the lower overall solar output coincides with cooler temps over the next couple decades, the ability of the whitewashing of the data mentioned above won't be able to counter folks actually being able to tell that it's in fact colder.... but oh well...
     
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    Oh, so you don't even think the planet is warming? That's some deep denial. Question...if you don't trust any of the data then how do you know the planet isn't warming?

    Why should we do something about volcanoes? They emit 2 orders of magnitude less CO2 than humans do.

    Orbital perturbations that effect incoming solar radiation have periods on the order of 20,000 years at a minimum. There are actually 4 cycles and it is the net effect of all 4 that matter. There are two beats to the net effect. One is on a 100,000 year cycle and the other is on a 400,000 year cycle. The beats aren't perfectly rhythmic either which means they aren't exactly the same each time. They also don't change the total amount of radiation the Earth receives annually. What they do is change the distribution of the radiation received by latitude. At any rate, 20 years is negligible. The orbital differences in that short amount of time aren't even detectable.

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    And solar radiation has been declining now for a couple of decades and yet both the troposphere and hydrosphere continue to warm and accumulate heat at 10e21 joules and at an accelerating rate.

    But oh well...you're still going to hang your hat on a cooling planet just as countless other skeptic/deniers have been predicting for 50 years now right?

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    The climate changes constantly, and always has. Trying to understand or control the climate is an exercise in futility. The earth swings from periods of warming to periods of cooling based more on solar activity than anything else. If sun heats up and cools down as we know it does, how do you expect that to not have a direct impact on the earth? While solar activity is the major factor in the planets temperature, there are many other factors including geological. Everything in nature adheres to a cycle, which is predicated on action and reaction. A warmer climate with more CO is conducive to increasing plant life which in turn produces more O2. Nothing in nature is linear and predictions made on linear models are worthless.
     
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    to sum up your post... you have no idea
     
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    the old "The climate has changed before" logic...we've heard that all before and that's not an answer so it's clear you have no idea either...here you are dreaming secret conspiracies and denying the science but when the question is put to you as what is the cause of this climate event ...and you got nothing...
     
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    Yes, I can identify several ideas.. Thanks for noticing....
     
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    the guy with no science credentials has the answer , you got nothing...
     
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    The multi trillion dollar wealth transfer articulated by the UN development premised on carbon credits justified by the IPCC marketing isn't sufficient evidence for you of the link between the marketing and the tyranny? I suppose the more interesting way to look at this is that the science being accumulated to "support" the massive theft and wealth transfer is an excellent demonstration of complicity.
     
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    Do you have to work at being this illiterate, or are you just unaware of it?
     
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    the question asked was "Can you make a logical argument as to what you think is the cause of the warming being observed today?" and you come up with nada...and then run away to your favourite conspiracy theory, international socialist conspiracy to steal your money...the question asked was explain what is causing the current warming event (you know, science stuff)not what's your favourite tinfoil hat story
     

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