The GOP Is No Longer A ‘Conservative’ Party

And, you think drilling in national parks had some part to do with that?

 

It is illustrative of the abandonment of the genuine conservative core values.

 

I think most are, people like Mo Brooks who want to oust the moderates.

The GOP, much like the Democrats, are in civil war...or on the brink.

 

I regard myself as socially liberal and financially conservative. The GOP, in not paying for the Iraq fiasco, lost all claim to "conservative".
I used to listen to William Buckley - I didn't agree with him, but he presented his case eloquently and in the best possible light - the knuckle-draggers in the GOP now are the "poorly educated" that Trump loves.
The GOP needs a new William Buckley.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley_Jr.

 

Nobody is suggesting the above. Where do you make up this stuff?

 

Meanwhile, the Democratic party has announced a new strategy which is to move even further to the left! The gap between both parties continues to widen. If you were to Goggle the foreign policy speeches give by Nixon & JFK in 1960, you would notice there was very little difference between the two. Sadly that is not the case today. Historically, the U.S. as been a center right country politically. My parents were conservative leaning democrats, although on three occasions they voted for a republican for president because they thought the democratic nominee was too liberal (Think George McGovern). I too was a registered democrat for 16 years, but am now a conservative leaning independent. To illustrate why I left the democratic party, I will list a few quotes from JFK that no democrat today would say: On foreign & national security policy, JFK said"Let every nation know that we will pay any price, bear any burden to protect and defend freedom and democracy around the world." On his across the board 10% tax cut, JFK said "A rising tide lifts all boats." On the rights of human beings, JFK said "The rights of man do not come from Government, but from the hands of God." On the fairness of life, JFK said " Who ever said life was fair?" In all honesty, I do not expect to ever vote for a democrat again, because I don't think there will ever be a Truman or JFK again!

 

My suggestion is to you. If you want to lure conservatives to ally with you, you are going to have to be nicer and listen sympathetically to conservative viewpoints.

Can you do that? Or will it stick in your craw?

I am guessing the latter.

 

Who are these "genuine conservatives" you speak of. I monitor many of the major conservative websites and see no evidence of this.

 

There are economic conservatives,social conservatives, and the batcrap crazy alt-right conservatives and they blend and differ all over the place.

What they all have in common are tax cuts for the rich

 

Indeed, they do!

 

So the BLOTUS regime is not harming national parks?

http://www.motherjones.com/environment/2017/04/national-parks-oil-gas-drilling/

http://blog.humanesociety.org/wayne...onal-wildlife-refuges-first-official-act.html

 

Thank you for tacitly conceding that your position has no merit!

 

Because they have become extinct within the GOP!

 

This.

Also, this cycle, there was an undeniable populist bent to voter thinking, as evidenced by Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders. People on both sides of the aisle are fed up with the business-as-usual politics of the Washington establishment. We'll see how deep the sentiment goes in 2018 and 2020, but I suspect it's taking root, and the inside-the-beltway folks would do well to take notice.

I agree 100% with your first statement. As to the second part, the jury's still out, but I agree that at this point, it's not looking good. Making systemic change wouldn't be an easy thing to do in the best of political environments, and these definitely 'aint the best of political environments.

 

First, find an unbiased source. I wouldn't insult you by using breitbart or National Review for a source. Your Mother Jones link says nothing about new drilling in National Parks being allowed, just allowing existing wells to be used, as they have been used, with a few changes in regulations. Second, the second link has nothing to do with National parks or oil and gas drilling. National Wildlife Refuges are not national parks. In fact, most National Wildlife Refuges allow hunting.

Stop the hyperbole and acting like they are about to put a new drill under Old Faithful.

 

The new nationalist-liberal conservative party is actually more pragmatic than the previous globalist-authoritarian conservative party. The previous GOP was largely ran on the concept of strict principles and image in regard to respectability while the new party focuses outcomes and is willing to compromise on their lesser principles in order to accomplish the greater good of the american people. I should add that the nationalists are predominantly civic-nationalist but euro-nationalists can be found on the extreme right.

And because a globalist-authoritarians-progressive party are taking over the democrats, classical liberals are abandoning them.

Classical liberals reject the authoritarian left party because they are ignored by the reps and they also recognize the left party as trying to battle an old opressive ideology with their own new oppressive ideology as opposed to promote equality. They recognize the new authoritarian left as fighting off bigotry with their own bigotry.

 

Yep and progressives want illegals in this country when they pretend to care about middle class jobs.

 

You think you can lure me with stupid comments like that?

 

Then who are you talking about?

 

Then go ahead and define in your opinion what this new "conservative" viewpoint is...please.

 

You have access to everything I've posted on PF. Please review those.

In addition, you can peruse various well known conservative websites.

 

Figures...you can't even encapsulate it.

 

Ted Cruz is a tyrant, just like Trump only in a version, like Rand Paul and the VP. They are too conservative and establishment money and will do whatever t boone and koch brothers want. Do you call that democracy ? That 50 families get chased off of their property so that Exxon can frack it and ruin the water ? Or a complete and utter gutting of Obamacare "just because he is black" that is rand paul and ted cruz, although they would never admit it. WHy would they want an all out repeal like Rand Paul ? or paul ryan ? Because they back those that could care less about the poor and people that cant afford healthcare. THe 2 guys you are trying to rep. as Conservative are part of the NOT Conservative party but part of the Strip everything from the working class to pad their pockets.
Amazing that you could take what is a brilliant post Derideo and turn it on your terms.

 

Awesome post and so true... We are totally screwed and really don't have a voice anymore, especially those smart enough to think through each problem and post on it, right or left... Nothing counts out of our mouths until election time and it all depends upon who lies to us the best.

 

Yes, it is a serious political philosophy which cannot be "encapsulated" in 140 characters or less.

What really figures is your minute attention span and intellectual laziness which demands an "encapsulated" explanation.