The Greenhouse Conspiracy - Aussie movie from 1990

Getting paid crikies i wish i was, that would be good - wishful thinking!!!

 

Science, and it's corruption, is FAR more corporatised than politicised IMO. As an example, something around 75% of scientific R&D funding for science comes from governments, meanwhile it is mostly patented by private corporations. The corporatocracy at work.

Ref: http://www.politicalforum.com/scien...knowledge-basic-liberty-not-private-good.html

 

Of course, as i have expressed in considerable detail to you. It is not your knowledge of this subject that has formed your view on it, but the reverse. That is what i meant about being honest.

THIS is why you are a skeptic, not because of the science. You have conflated various issues and decided that it's the governments fault, because government is usually to blame for lots of stuff.

God, how many times do we have to go round and round in circles?

 

Maybe you should send an email to someone in the Tea Party and ask for funding to spend your hours on this board and elsewhere spreading their message.

 

So true, look no further than the carbon tax.

 

Thank you for telling me what i do and donot know?

Seeing as we dont know each other i would dare say you haven't got a clue!

When you're being given a life changing tax based on a lie i thought all of us would have been up in arms, but there you have it, some are prepared to bend over and let them have their way, good on you, with more people like you pretty soon they wont even have to prepare us or ask.

I'm not stuck, i'm moving forward all the time.

 

I agree with you on this one D&D. Australia has a deceitful, lying incompetent Prime Minister, who before the 2010 election, verbally promised the people there would be NO carbon tax under a Government she led; then the lying deceitful troll introduced one.

Some people don’t want to hold this lying troll accountable for what she says or her actions, they just want to constantly bend over and take it from scummy politicians like her who are there just to feather their own nests.

Its staggering to think that there is still morons out there in the community that still believe the toll queens lies that reducing carbon emissions by 0.0004 over 18 years will save the planet or reduce global warming, when all the scientific data indicates this piddle reduction will have absolutely no effect on the planet, but will have massive financial effects on the Australian people and Australian businesses.

Why don you think Australia gets so many Nigerian and Irish con men/women coming here? They are trained and educated that Australians are dumb and backward, and if they have done their research; they would also know Australians are listed a poor 41 on the international IQ rankings.

We are $200billion in debt, and they are borrowing $100million per day, but can afford to donate $500million to the UN climate start up fund; donate $7billion to the IMF; give $4billion to foreign aid, and promise the UN 10% of the revenue raised from the carbon tax. LOL LOL

Now that is smart economic management. LOL LOL

These scumbag politicians donate all the above to strangers who have not done a bloody thing for this country, and only give the most vulnerable members of Australian society a lousy $3 dollars per week out of the carbon tax that Australians are paying for. LOL LOL

Come on “Aussies” you can spread them wider, and take a bigger one, cause the troll queen told you can!! LOL LOL

 

Well said dude.

 

Our discussions give me enough insight to make that pretty basic observation.

The lies and the tax have no bearing on weather or not AGW is real.

And honestly, it's just a tax (with compensation), it will not be life changing for many people at all. That is worth complaining about. It should be life-changing, but it won't be for the vast bulk of people.

 

Ok lets wait and see how sending billions of tax payers monies to overseas institutions will affect us.

These billions could have been spent on Australian soil fixing Australian problems.

Have you ever asked yourself who will be recieving all this money?

Or are we so rich that we couldn't give a flying (*)(*)(*)(*).

 

Again, what has that got to do with the reality, or otherwise of AGW?

If you're talking about the money going to the IMF, it will probably net us a handsome sum in return. Ask any country that has to pay back IMF loans, the poor bastards will pay it back many times over

I wouldn't give the IMF anything because i think they serve their own (banks, eh) interests over that of the countries they lend the money to. They're a pack of ********s.

Sadly, it will make us richer at others' expense (the usual way one gets rich).

 

Testing

 

Post of the year!

 

You know my stance on AGW - CO2 - Carbon tax, no epirical data to suggest CO2 causes a runaway green house effect therefore AGW is a scam and the carbon tax is a ponzy scheme.

We are going to be sending billions of Australian tax payer dollars to overseas institutions based on a lie.

Are you talking about the $6.8 billion we have handed over to the IMF as a xmas package so they can supposedly help fix up the European Union or are you talking about the billions the carbon tax will send over to overseas instituitons? Not sure what you mean here.

Totally agree with what the IMF represents who by the way are owned by the world bank, goldman sachs etc etc.

I dont get your last sentence how will this make us richer?

 

Citations please. This is the first I've heard of this. Unless you are talking about the UN Green Climate Fund which we had committed to before the carbon tax and the UN report which advised that using a carbon tax is the most efficient way of achieving the goal of assisting poorer nations.

Also, it shouldn't affect us too much because it isn't necessarily tax payers money. You seem to have a poor understanding of how the tax is meant to work. Will post an informative video on it when I get the chance. Am currently in Thailand and don't have much time for stuff like this right now.

 

Well then you are aware that we will be giving 10% of the carbon tax revenue to the United Nations Climate Fund and you are aware that the United Nations want to re-distribute the wealth of richer nations to poorer ones.

And you find nothing wrong this?

When companies purchase carbon credits to offset their carbon footprint even though in real terms they will increase their carbon emissions but on paper it will look like they have reduced them through the purchase of carbon credits this cost will be passed on to consumers right?

So the carbon tax which is meant to tax the big polluters will by the big polluters be passed down to the consumers, simple really no citation needed.

Now how many billions of dollars will be going into the purchase of carbon credits per annum?

The big polluters will simply pass this cost onto consumers, therefore its going to be Australian tax payer dollars going to foreign instituitions and corporations.

It certainely wont be the big polluters that are paying this tax because they will be passing it onto the consumer through energy price rises.

And lets not forget the domino effect a price on carbon will have on all goods and services either.

Look forward to your explination on this subject, it might broaden my horizons.

 

You are full of so much baseless speculation and conspiracy. The simple facts are that most scientists believe in AGW whether you quote differently here or not. Whether you are right also about the 10% CP contribution to the UN really shouldn't matter if you are aware of the colonial impacts and corporate greed that has robbed these countries. What is so wrong with helping out people who are doing it tough? Australia is not a selfish country and I hope to hell we do not become this way due to a handful of saddistic biggots

 

You want real justice for third world countries then get these corporations and the people behind them that have installed dictators in these third world countries so they can manipulate their resources, get them to oust the dictators and install democratic governments that look after their people.

Now that would be justice indeed, because even with our great wealth we could never feed them all.

And you must know that most of these third world countries have mineral and oil and gas riches that rival ours and the middle east.

About the conspiracy of global warming and CO2 is going to destroy the Earth as we know well prove me wrong.

Yes the scientists that receive billions of dollars in funding to produce some test tube model of the earth all agree, hey wouldn't you if it meant you would get millions of dollars for research.

 

10% of Australia's Carbon Tax given to the United Nations

[video=youtube;xv3OLKsQ83k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xv3OLKsQ83k[/video]

 

Are you on something dude!!! You are spinning conspiracies still! Either you're not too bright or you are actually clive palmer....wait up, he's not too bright either, and full of conspiracies!

 

Too bad your disposition doesn't reflect your (aka) truthvigilante.

cheerio.

 

My disposition is to never have a predisposition, unlike yourself dumb. Cut out your conspiracies and provide some solid base for your argument. It seems to be a a perpetuating feature of yours. You may change my thinking with some cold hard facts, which you seem to be struggling to find and convey. I certainly do not subscribe to mantras and rhetoric, especially which are carbon copies of Abbott. (Pardon the pun)

 

Yes, I'm aware of the Green Climate Fund and that it calls for developed nations to assist developing nations in achieving a common goal. No, I don't find anything wrong with this. Could you please explain why it is so wrong?

Yes, but you are still not completely understanding how the tax is meant to work.

Correct, and because this is a tax aimed at polluters and not consumers, the government will be providing compensation for most of us. The tax is not so much about raising revenue but about changing people's behaviour, which I think is the salient point you are missing.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/po...lards-carbon-moneygoround-20110712-1hc10.html

I suggest reading that link and watching the video with Ross Gittins explaining it as doing it myself would be tedious. It gives a particularly lucid explanation of how the tax is supposed to work and should fill in the blanks for you.

 

Sorry lep i can't agree with you on this, Australian tax payer monies are first and foremost suppose to be used to better our country and our citizens way of life through expendeture on goods and services.

If we have alittle extra i dont mind assiting but the priority of any Australian government is to the land and its people, i'm sure its in the constitution somewhere mwaybe not written in those words but it would be there.

Plus lep you must know that most third world countries have riches in the way of minerals and oil-gas that rival ours and the middle east respectively.

Just because some corporations have installed a dictator in most of these countries to take advantage of the resources and theur governments dont share the countries wealth with its people its not our fault.

Anyway we could never feed them all, why doesn't that corrupt cop the US try to get these out of office?

Why dont they spread freedom and democracy there?

I think i have the jist of it.

Now you are talking bullsh!t, the companies will pass the cost over to us through the reatial price so ineffect will not bothered by the carbon tax ETS, actually emissions are scheduled to go up not down, so then while we are paying through the nose and woryying about turning that light that nobody is using of, companies will be business as usual.

Ok i'll have alook.