The group of people that I simply cant understand

I believe it is a very valuable view. It is a fact we reap what we sow. Society must and will hold us accountable. That does not at all speak to the value we have as human beings. We are valuable. We have been bought with a price no matter how we believe. The viewpoint should be this..... there is mercy and grace available when I as an individual accept the purchase. The weight of guilt is off my shoulders at that point to the extent I believe. I am "free" to start a new life in a way that is absolute best for me. We have no idea how much adverse behavior is caused by guilt and shame. To overcome it, we must first recognize it. Recognizing it is possible when we understand there is redemption. When we are redeemed, we look to that redemption to empower us to do what is right. We do not look with an error of pride because we know the redemption came external to us so we do not slip back into bondage. We continue on with a spirit of humility.

 

If you are the 1st car that is the standard of cars .RC is the original Christian religion. They are still the largest Christian religion so no matter your opinion they are a Christian religion.
Again you make my case for me.

You disagree with a Christian and their religion as I said .

 

"Christian Religion" is that the same as a Christian Country Club? Jesus never promoted a religion. Religion has to do with "works", a following has to do with "faith". I know, you don't know the difference.
Actually you exclude the Church's described in the book of Acts, or Corinithia, or Ephesia, or Phillipi. What, are you now Roman Catholic? No they aren't the 1st car in the garage. I don't even believe they are a car!

 

This has been proven false repeatedly. The UVVA says nothing about the mother’s wishes. Not one word!!!!

 

WRONG

An embryo/ fetus is a new human being, not a seed.
An underutilized egg is a seed, but a fertilized egg is a new human being.

A pregnant woman is a situation involving two human beings ( well three if you include the father).
One is the woman whose actions created the new human being, the other is a child who is powerless in the situation. Morally upright societies will side with the human being in the position of less power in these conflict of rights situations. Furthermore the woman is fighting to avoid a temporary issue, while the child’s life is at risk of being intentionally killed.

 

A religion doesn't have to do with works. Many Lutherans and other protestants don't believe in works.
I am not RC. Only use them to show that Christians don't all believe the same. Its why there are 100s of different Christian religions.

You seem to be a religion of 1.

 

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100 religions but 1 faith.

 

Your faith.
Flash, you aren't the only 1 to think you have it correct. There are millions just like you. And I'm willing to bet, everyone of those millions like you are just as wrong as you.

Why do you think, you are the only one with the magic decoder ring? What makes you assume, that Jesus is even the correct being to follow and that you are doing it exactly? Well, you did say it faith.
And your faith is no better than the next person's faith.

 

So you seem to be saying faith is not reliable.....so it is better to have none at all. My faith is in Jesus and Him alone because of Who He said He was. My faith rests on the testimony of the millions who have died in the defence of His testimony. We don't need various"religions" to add to and describe that faith. I am sure, that within those "religions" there are portions that ascribe to the true faith but the "religions" do not define the Body of Christ. Understand, religions have taken part in the persecution of that Body of Christ from the very beginning. If you do not understand that.....you don't know the Word. You just want to confuse it.

 

I don't understand why they think so. The woman can give birth and release the child for adoption. Why does hatred for the rapist or former life partner have to be passed to the child?

 

If it was reliable, there'd be only 1 faith for all to follow.
How many faiths are there? Are they all reliable?

 

Maybe if you read up on abortion , abortion rights you'd know.

A fetus is part of a woman's body so she has every right to kill it.


It's not quite as simple as "giving birth"....please look up what pregnancy and child birth do to women, physically and financially and even emotionally...it's something NO one should be forced to do..

 

Is it time for our daily prayers in here yet...


NO ONE could find the Religion Forum??




HEY, what HAS your GOD done lately to help out the poor and RAPED CHILDREN that his ""representatives on earth " RAPED ??


He doesn't seem to care if children are raped so why would your god care if they are killed in the womb ...something he recommended in the bible???

 

I think no one has the right to kill another living being. That's why I'm a vegetarian and against death penalty. But I'm also an atheist.

 

So don't have an abortion and don't eat meat or use any animal by-products....that's fine as long as you don't try to impose those beliefs on others...

 

I support life and let others live the way they think is best. But I don't accept murderers. If I can help their victims somehow, I would always do it.

 

Perhaps we need to start looking at why folks want abortion. I'd say there a several reasons for those wedded to abortion.

The first is entitlement. The idea that government cannot dictate to the individual.
The second is fear. The idea that without abortion, "Those people" as identified by the proponents (Margret Sanger comes to mind here) will explode the population or over run the social safety net..

Which I find immediately contradictory to what the typical supporter of abortion then actually expects.

First, protection by government of their privilege,
Second, free and open boarders to import as much more dependent populations as possible to ensure their relevance to produce government.

The contradictions are profound here. But, they are also logical to those who practice liberalism. You must just admit that they, as a group feel that government doesn't effect them, it's design is to effect others. And second, that the base of support in a democracy/republic must be sufficient to continue to provide the protection from government they demand. It is the ultimate do as I say crowd...

 

The reason I support CHOICE is because women have a right to their own body just like YOU do.

I don't know anyone who is pro abortion, there may be some, but I don't know any.

I know lots of people though who believe in having the right to your own body....they are called Pro-CHOICE.

 

How do you help the victims of murder?

And what has that got to do with abortion?

 

I would do, if I could prevent the crime.

It's the same thing. Bad people kill innocent beings.
That is totally unacceptable.

 

There is no crime nor victim if there is no murder....and there is no murder in abortion.

No, pregnant women are NOT bad people, just people who have an unwanted pregnancies.

Then don't have one but it's been 'acceptable " for thousands of years....it's not going to change....like eating nice juicy steaks and wearing leather, that won't stop either

 

Attempted murder is a crime in many countries and usually it is considered a good thing to prevent murder.

An abortion without killing (of the fetus) is impossible. The law may not recognize that as murder, but morally it is murder.

 

"Attempted murder" is not the same thing as "murder" so you still can't help the victim of a murder.

And you have every right to believe that...

but your morals are not everyone's and should not be forced on others especially if it takes away their right to their own body, something I'm sure you don't want to happen to you...



Now here's the rest of my post you quoted :

""No, pregnant women are NOT bad people, just people who have an unwanted pregnancies.



Then don't have one but it's been 'acceptable " for thousands of years....it's not going to change....like eating nice juicy steaks and wearing leather, that won't stop either """"

 

Wrong distinction. Not pregnancy makes someone a bad person. But people who kill their children are always bad, whether the child is still in the womb or not. Such people have no respect for life. They have a criminal mindset.