The Hockey Stick Graph Reality

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  1. Hoosier8

    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    More word vomit. Livefree doesn't even know who writes the IPCC reports or how they are written.

    The continued reliance on partisan claims of 'big oil' with no proof other than innuendo shows he has fallen for the green blob propaganda, hook, line, and sinker.

    So far all these tens of thousands of awesome scientist have successfully predicted what will happen at a rate of 0%.
     
  2. livefree

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    Some denier cultists will just never give up with their discredited anti-science BS. You almost have to question their sanity or at least grasp on reality.

    In the real world.....

    The American Geophysical Union (AGU) [the world’s largest association of Earth scientists, with over 62,000 members from 144 countries.] adopted a statement on Climate Change and Greenhouse Gases in 1998.[60] A new statement, adopted by the society in 2003, revised in 2007,[61] and revised and expanded in 2013,[62] affirms that rising levels of greenhouse gases have caused and will continue to cause the global surface temperature to be warmer:

    "Human activities are changing Earth's climate. At the global level, atmospheric concentrations of carbon dioxide and other heat-trapping greenhouse gases have increased sharply since the Industrial Revolution. Fossil fuel burning dominates this increase. Human-caused increases in greenhouse gases are responsible for most of the observed global average surface warming of roughly 0.8 °C (1.5 °F) over the past 140 years. Because natural processes cannot quickly remove some of these gases (notably carbon dioxide) from the atmosphere, our past, present, and future emissions will influence the climate system for millennia.

    While important scientific uncertainties remain as to which particular impacts will be experienced where, no uncertainties are known that could make the impacts of climate change inconsequential. Furthermore, surprise outcomes, such as the unexpectedly rapid loss of Arctic summer sea ice, may entail even more dramatic changes than anticipated."

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    In 2006, the Geological Society of America adopted a position statement on global climate change. It amended this position on April 20, 2010 with more explicit comments on need for CO2 reduction.

    "Decades of scientific research have shown that climate can change from both natural and anthropogenic causes. The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s. If current trends continue, the projected increase in global temperature by the end of the twenty first century will result in large impacts on humans and other species. Addressing the challenges posed by climate change will require a combination of adaptation to the changes that are likely to occur and global reductions of CO2 emissions from anthropogenic sources.[68]"

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    The American Meteorological Society (AMS) statement adopted by their council in 2012 concluded:

    "There is unequivocal evidence that Earth's lower atmosphere, ocean, and land surface are warming; sea level is rising; and snow cover, mountain glaciers, and Arctic sea ice are shrinking. The dominant cause of the warming since the 1950s is human activities. This scientific finding is based on a large and persuasive body of research. The observed warming will be irreversible for many years into the future, and even larger temperature increases will occur as greenhouse gases continue to accumulate in the atmosphere. Avoiding this future warming will require a large and rapid reduction in global greenhouse gas emissions. The ongoing warming will increase risks and stresses to human societies, economies, ecosystems, and wildlife through the 21st century and beyond, making it imperative that society respond to a changing climate. To inform decisions on adaptation and mitigation, it is critical that we improve our understanding of the global climate system and our ability to project future climate through continued and improved monitoring and research. This is especially true for smaller (seasonal and regional) scales and weather and climate extremes, and for important hydroclimatic variables such as precipitation and water availability.

    Technological, economic, and policy choices in the near future will determine the extent of future impacts of climate change. Science-based decisions are seldom made in a context of absolute certainty. National and international policy discussions should include consideration of the best ways to both adapt to and mitigate climate change. Mitigation will reduce the amount of future climate change and the risk of impacts that are potentially large and dangerous. At the same time, some continued climate change is inevitable, and policy responses should include adaptation to climate change. Prudence dictates extreme care in accounting for our relationship with the only planet known to be capable of sustaining human life.[73]"
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Your confusing the AGW world with the real world.
     
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    Nope! Anthropogenic Global Warming is a confirmed scientific reality that you dupes of the fossil fuel industry's disinformation and denial campaign foolishly and ignorantly deny.

    You're confusing your fraudulent denier cult BizarroWorld bubble of lies, misinformation and bogus propaganda with the actual real world. You got divorced from the real world a long time ago.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yes I'm know, in your world " the science is settled". :wink:
     
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    Hoosier8 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yep, and some members quit since the AGU ignored it's own workgroup and unilaterally put out a political statement.

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    All based on models that aren't validated.
     
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    Yup! In the real world, the science backing the conclusions of the world's climate scientists regarding human caused global warming and its disastrous consequent climate changes IS, IN FACT, QUITE SETTLED, QUITE DEFINITE. Only stooges for the planet killing fossil fuel industry dispute that fact at this point.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Are you Al Gore? I'm getting a funny feeling here.
     
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    That "funny feeling" that people know a lot more than you do, you must get that a lot since that must include pretty much everybody who isn't in your little cult of reality denial, not just Former Vice President Gore and me.
     
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    Okie dokie AL:wink:
     
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    Your denier cult myths and lies about the hockey stick graph just got destroyed and that pathetic nonsense is your best reply? LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.......
     
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    Okie dokie AL.
     
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    Well, now you are just being a troll.
     
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    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Maybe so. I just find it difficult to take you seriously anymore. Your angry rants along with your book long cut and paste multi colored BOLD and AGW cult charts and graphs are tedious at best and a little bit concerning mental health wise at worst. I should probably just ignore you for the sake of my own mental health.
     
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    Translated from denier-cult-speak that means that you can't handle the scientific facts and data that debunk your precious denier cult myths and lies that are entirely based on your political ideology rather than science. So you put your fingers in your ears and shout "la-la-la-la-la-la" and then run away.

    And the hockey stick graph remains sound science, well verified and independently reproduced by many other teams of scientists using a variety of techniques and data sources.
     
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    The correct recitation is, stick your fingers in your ears shut your eyes and sing LA LA LA LA. You forgot the eyes part. I'll take it as a compliment though because that's what I say to liberals a lot in here. " Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery" That goes for your "denier cult" paraphrase of my AGW cult too. :wink:
     
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    And still more meaningless twaddle that has nothing to do with the the scientific evidence supporting the reality of the multiple scientific temperature reconstructions showing the extremely rapid and unprecedented temperature rise over the last fifty years or so, as detailed and graphed in the OP.
     
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    You outlined your post well. Just because you believe in something you don't understand does not make it a fact.
     
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    That is exactly what the sane people have been telling you denier cultists for years....you poor bamboozled anti-science dupes never listen.
     
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    Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    Do you even realize that you never post on any subject in this entire forum other than AGW? Don't you think just maybe that's a bit OCD? A bit dare I say, cult like behavior?
     
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    Once again, because you have no real response to the scientific evidence supporting AGW that I presented, you hide from the evidence that debunks your denier cult delusions by attacking the messenger.

    Typical denier cult deflection.
     
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    Just out of curiosity what or whom in your opinion does this "denier cult" worship?
     
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    That's easy!

    The twin rightwingnut gods of ignorance and anti-science reality denial.
     
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    I thought maybe you could come up with something more tangible and less looney than that like the god fossil fuel or maybe muscle cars or 4x4 pickups. Hey wait, that's it, I do sort of worship my f250 4x4turbo diesel so technically speaking I am in the bad ass pickup cult. Yeah screw dem polar bears,I want my pickup!!!!!!!! Pass the diesel please.:smile:
     

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