The Holodomor - the Communists’ Holocaust

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  1. litwin

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    " What do you get when you combine vigorous grain-tax policies, bad harvests with Sralins fear and animosity for the rural population of Ukraine? A man-created murder famine, designed to kill millions of Ukrainian men, women and children. "

    this video will make many commies upset...in The Hague I hope

     
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    Just want to add some informations about the start of these events and about Soviet economical policy toward farmers after 1929 when Stalin's line won in Politbiro, NEP was abolished and the process of collectivization started. During NEP farmers sold only around 20% of their products, around 15% was kept for sowing, around 30% for feeding the animals on the farm and the rest for their own food for them and their families. But when Stalin started his new policy state took around 40% of products. So the normal economy of farmers was completly dismantled and that started the conflict which involved many confiscations and big repression against farmers and which ended in the great famine.

    Centralization and collectivization under Stalin went also hand in hand. Leaders of Soviet republics which were against one or another were killed in purges. For example Alexei Rykov who opossed Stalin policy about collectivization in 1929 was first deposed in 1930 and then killed in 1938. Fayzulla Khodzhayev who was for a long time one of the main communist leaders in Uzbekistan was deposed and soon then killed in 1937/38 because he was against extreme centralization and argued that Uzbekistan farmers should produce more grain and not so muh cotton thus being more independent.

    Farmers not producing enough grain was like an excuse for the start of collectivization. Yet we can see in some areas production of grain was limited from the state or in fact by the Soviet communist party. Like in Uzbekistan because production of cotton was making Uzbekistan more politacally tied to Soviet union.


    Sources: M. Levin Forming of Soviet Sistem, book published in Paris in 1987

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fayzulla_Khodzhayev

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexei_Rykov

    transcripts of trial from 1938 against so called ''Asiatic nationalists''
     
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    the best book on this subject



    and
    Kazakh famine of 1932–33 - Wikipedia
    en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Kazakh_famine_of_1932–33

    The Kazakh famine of 1930–1933, named in Kazakhstan as the Goloshchyokin genocide (Kazakh: Goloshekındik genotsıd, Kazakh pronunciation: [ɡɐləˌʂʲokʲinˈdək ɡʲinɐˈt͡sɪt]) after Filipp Goloshchyokin to emphasize its man-made nature and also known as the Kazakh catastrophe, was a famine where 1.5 million (possibly as many ...
     
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    I am sure communist crimes are not really different in nature than crimes of Nazi regime. They punished people so arbitrary and collectively and in such numbers that no real distinction is possible.

    Communist leaders were rarely put on trial for their crimes against humanity and genocides. However here are two cases when this happened:

    Khmer Rouge leaders found guilty of genocide against Cham people and Vietnamese living inside Cambodia.

    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-46217896

    Communist leaders from Ethiopia found guitly of crimes against humanity:

    https://johnryle.com/?article=the-trial-of-the-derg-in-ethiopia
     
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    ~ Sad but true . ..
     
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    Start watching this video at the 34:42 time mark.

    Hitler's War - What the Historians Neglect to Mention


    https://www.bing.com/search?q=Hitle...s=n&sk=&cvid=06F2A14E133D45BC9B95A270B4D3F07A
    https://www.bitchute.com/search/?qu... the historians neglect to mention&kind=video


    According to the video Stalin was planning to invade Western Europe. He was selling the grain abroad instead of feeding the citizens and using the money to buy raw materials needed to prepare for the invasion.


    More here.
    http://www.flinttalk.com/viewtopic.php?t=12196&start=0
     

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