The Jews as "God's Chosen." What, exactly, does it mean?

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  1. thebrucebeat

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    I did answer your question. This fraud is re-writing history to support a felacious conclusion, and you are supporting it.
    He's a Nazi, and you are supporting him.
    Sieg hiel, mein herr.
     
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    BFSmith@764 Banned

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    No, you have not. I asked you if the Jews have ever commuted atrocities against others, yes or no?
     
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    Yes, and the U.S. has done so many, many times. Shall we hate ourselves, as well?
    What is the point of the thread other than to incite hatred against the Jews?

    The OP is a Nazi and has you biting, becoming a tacit supporter of his agenda.
     
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    Discussing some of the crimes that the Jews have committed is not hate. If you consider it to be then, it’s hate to discuss all the other Nations or people that have done the same.



    Rather than resort to name-calling how about refuting what he has said with some historical facts?
     
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    Are you kidding?
    He's cherry picking history to denegrate an entire people. He's twisting other parts of history to support that agenda. He is using it to try to demonize them on a religious level.
    He uses a Nazi avatar and quotes Hitler for a signature. How is calling him a Nazi name calling?
    Why are you trying to defend this cretin?
     
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    It’s easy to resort to name-calling but really proves little to nothing. However, putting out some facts that would refute what he said is a lot more mature way of dealing with people you might disagree with. So I am hoping you will be able to provide some proof that he is guilty of what you accuse him of doing.
     
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    He's not hiding being a Nazi. Why are you trying to deny it? It's not name calling. It's conceding to what he is announcing openly.
    You want facts?
    Look up Krystal Nacht.
    Then call Germany the "victim" of the Jews.
    Come on, man.
     
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    Provide some credible source that refutes what he is saying and I will check it out. Until then, we are just wasting time.
     
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    I am not refuting his presenting himself as a Nazi.
    Are you?

    http://www.aish.com/ho/o/48956531.html

    There's a start, but I have a feeling I'm on a collision course with a holocaust denier.
    This is pathetic.
     
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    They are still His Chosen. There is nothing to dispute that as far as i can see. And the 144,000 are going to come from the tribes of Israel/Judah.
     
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    The 144,000 is a great example of people misinterpreting scripture because of their lack of knowledge of apocalyptic literature's symbolism. It is a multiple of 12, which stands for all of something, in this case the people of God, the believers. All believers will be saved, not this tiny number.
     
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    If they read a little farther down they would see where it says, an uncountable number of people from ever tribes and Nations will come out of the great tribulation. It seems people love to stop reading scripture where it suits them and their interest.
     
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    They have to come under the New Covenant in order to enter the kingdom. All those among the 144,000 are those who have repented and believe that Jesus is the one that was spoken about in the Old Testament....they accepted that Jesus is whom He said He is. But there will be far more Gentiles in the kingdom than Jews. In fact, the Bible says that the Jews as a whole will not enter the kingdom until the fullness of the Gentiles come in.

    Romans 11:25 (KJV)
    25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    Any Jew that refuse to believe that Jesus is the Messiah and believe the message that He preached, will not be in the kingdom of God.
     
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    They have to come under the New Covenant in order to enter the kingdom. All those among the 144,000 are those who have repented and believe that Jesus is the one that was spoken about in the Old Testament....they accepted that Jesus is whom He said He is. But there will be far more Gentiles in the kingdom than Jews. In fact, the Bible says that the Jews as a whole will not enter the kingdom until the fullness of the Gentiles come in.

    Romans 11:25 (KJV)
    25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.

    Any Jew that refuse to believe that Jesus is the Messiah and believe the message that He preached, will not be in the kingdom of God.
     
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    The 144,000 will be instrumental in preaching the gospel and save untold numbers of people during the last half of the tribulation.
     
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    That goes back to the Scofield heresy............ by way of John Nelson Darby

    The believed that when Israel was reborn and the Third Temple rebuilt in Jerusalem, Jesus would return to Earth and lead the armies of heaven in an apocalyptic war with the Antichrist. After the seven years of tribulation (in which all but 144,000 Jews would die) the final dispensation would begin, marking the start of a thousand year reign of Christ from his throne in the Temple.
     
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    Like I said, a misinterpretation due to a lack of exposure to apocalyptic literature.
     
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    wrong......
     
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    do you think that it might be you who misunderstands mr. wiseman?
     
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    Sorry its straight out of the Scofield Reference Bible funded and published by Samuel Untermyer.. The same dude who blackmailed President Wilson to put Brandeis on the Supreme Court.
     
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    Look. I read THE bible. Maybe your problem is that you're reading everything BUT.
     
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    You are reading a Scofield Reference Bible.. Let me guess.. your Bible doesn't say anything about Scofield but it was published in TN.
     
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    Where do you get this belief from?
     
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    So you are familiar with the traditions of apocalyptic literature?
     
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    I've missed most of this exchange until now but I see that you are guilty of exactly what you accuse me of doing. YOU are cherry picking history.
    If you ignore and forgive the Jews entirely for their role in the horrors of the early 20th century, the collapse of Germany, the rise of communism, and the transformation of Russia into a human slaughter house of unprecedented insanity, you IGNORE the very reasons that lead to the war between the Germans and Jews. Or to put it another way, the revolt of the Germans against international Jewish power.

    That then creates the illusion and falsehood that the Germans were nothing more than ruthless and psychotic sadists which is an absolute lie.

    I see earlier you mentioned that I had the self control to not write like I was maniacal. Perhaps you should strive for that same discipline.
     

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