The latest misinformation revirberating around the right wing sound chamber

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  1. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Isn't it ironic that Don casts himself in the role of the persecuted when in fact he has been given deference since day one. As for the gag order, my understanding is the judge can be very specific as to the things the former Bloviator-in-Chief can and can't speak about publicly. How special would it be if he violates a gag order and is thrown in jail for contempt!
     
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    More than likely, and between you, I and the forum, he's going to sue over the gag order to buy more time and delay justice.
     
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    How could you know that?
     
  4. Lee Atwater

    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I have no doubt there will be an avalanche of motions by the former Obstructionist-in-Chief. Gumming up the system is how he rolls.
     
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    I said it would be my bet. Want to bet, my account against yours (no more posting … the rest of the year … Bragg is NEVER charged with prosecutorial misconduct?
     
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    Lee Atwater Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The gag order should cover any unsubstantiated or derogatory accusations about officers of the court. Especially seeing as Trump has already attacked both the judge and Bragg. Bragg having received death threats from the minions no doubt due to Trump's lies about him.
     
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    So you can't. Got it.
     
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    Soros gave $1 million to the PAC Color of Money whom spent big money on Braggs's candidacy. Additionally, Soros' son, daughter in law, and wife all donated directly to his campaign.

    Sincerely, what are you alleging is incorrect about calling him "Soros-backed"?
     
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    Yeah, yeah, we all know how the partisans, like you, roll:
    -Big donor money supporting my candidate: Good
    -Big donor money supporting the opposition candidate: Bad

    Note that it was YOUR Supreme Court that decided money is speech. So, isn't Soros just using his money as speech? What's the problem?

    As for me, I would like big money in politics reduced, for ALL sides. Are you game?
     
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    Why do reds have an irrational fear of a 92 year old man? LOL
     
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    A hallmark of Repub orthodoxy is to constantly provide the minions with a bogeyman for them to blame/hate/fear.
     
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    And if they can't find a boogieman, or if their current boogieman is too old, hence 92 year old Soros, they create a new irrational fear of something they can't even define, "WOKE." LOL
     
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    They need focus and personification for their hatred. TRaitor tRump is adroit at supplying both, so that he can keep them riled and primed for another round of fleecing donations. I’m sure if tRaitor tRump had realized how lucrative politics could be he would have gotten in much earlier.
     
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    :roflol: Are you aware of how many democrats (like Biden) have become millionaires due to their political positions?
     
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    Why do you leave out the republicans that have done just as well or better? Or, the fact that it’s easier now since a republican supreme court’s Citizens United decision?
     
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    While your desire is pure and idealistic, it is IMO not realistic.

    Wherever the rules are set, people will spend their money right up to the gray area. This cannot be stopped. If all of a sudden all campaigns were publically financed and candidates can not accept money, the only result would be that the same money would be spent supporting issues for a particular candidate or attacking their opponent etc. You will never be able to take money out of politics. In truth, money spent directly by the campaigns is probably a little more honest in their communications than are the privately funded attack ads that have become so common and are not attached directly to any candidate.

    You say it was "Your Supreme Court" that determined money is speech, but that is the Constitution that does so. Just as our free speech protections mean that we have to allow NAMBLA or the KKK to have a voice, it also means that people have a right to put out advertising of their own choosing. This is the price of freedom of speech. There was unlimited spending prior to that ruling. The only difference after was procedural. It is not as if that same money wasn't involved in politics prior.

    Citizens United did not benefit either side. It was therefore decided solely on its merits. Originalists on the court always do decide based on merit, but if you are apt to assume they do it for political reasons, this particular ruling certanly did not create a benefit for the right in any way. The bottom line is that if someone wants to put up a billboard arguing for pro choice, the government cannot stop that. I personally do not think they should have the power to silence that speech. Do you?
     
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    You need reminded that your claim is only highlighting one as if no others have profited from the government teet.
     
  18. Lee Atwater

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    Of course. The important thing isn't what they blame/hate/fear. The important thing is that they have something to blame/hate/fear.
     
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    Agreed. The misinformation came with Trump's quote “hand-picked and funded by George Soros.” I guess I can understand the boogeyman fear if people actually believe that Soros has the power to hand-pick the NYDA.
     
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    I don’t view giving the rich the right to BUY politicians “speech”. Neither would the Founders.
     
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    No I don’t and, it’s not your job; thank you very much.
     
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    It applies to everyone, not just the rich. That money may BUY politicians and that is a bad thing, but if we are going to have a society where we have a right to free speech, you cannot abridge that right just because an election is upcoming.

    Similarly, having to prove a defendant guilty beyond any reasonable doubt creates problems because that means a lot of guilty people go free. This too is a bad thing, but it is the price we pay to minimize innocent people being convicted.

    There is a downside to a lot of the freedoms we enjoy. Personally, I would fear a government that could silence people's free speech, ESPECIALLY when it comes to politics.

    I don't think you are more qualified than anyone else in determining what the founders would want. The founders provided free speech to stop the potential of a tyrannical government silencing dissent. I for one think that is a good thing. I suspect the founders would too.
     
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  23. Lee Atwater

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    It's a perversion of the Constitution by conservative justices.
     
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    Bragg and many others around the country, and all have been catastrophes for the innocent law abiding citizens.
     
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    :roflol:
     

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