The left is violent and anti-tolerant

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  1. Moonglow

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    I don't think Rupert Murdoch was a socialist..
     
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    Who have I ever attacked physically?

    Whose freedom of speech have I ever tried to suppress?
     
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    First, I agree with Bernie Sanders that America should join the rest of modern societies in making health care coverage a right of citizenry. It is already that way in the vast majority of advanced nations globally. Why should we be the last to see the light? Beyond that, why should we continue to be so hardhearted and uncompassionate? Is that the kind of America you really want? I don't.

    On immigration. . .Obama had already complied with the immigration laws better than ANY PRESIDENT IN HISTORY. Yet, Trump and the Republicans created the illusion that Obama had ignored the issue. Truth (something conservatives used to care about) is, Obama deported more illegal immigrants than any President ever, and as many as the past four of his predecessors combined. The net flux of immigrants from Mexico under Obama during the last two years of his administration was ZERO. The immigration problem touted by Trump and the Republicans was a manufactured, fake problem. But it was a great vote-getter for them.

    Trump kept trumpeting his determination to make immigration from the Middle East much more difficult by instilling "Extreme Vetting." It was reported by the media repeatedly that Obama had already done that too. The vetting process already in place took from 18 months to 5 years per individual, and was incredibly thorough and intensive. Plus, it was working. Never once since 9/11 had we had a single instance of a vetted immigrant from anywhere in the Middle East, coming here and committing a terrorist act. That's a perfect record over a period of 16 years. How can Trump or the Republican extremists improve on that?

    Lastly, you mentioned keeping "Muslim" terrorists out of America. The courts have already ruled that any bill passed targeting any religion for special restrictions in any way under the law, is unconstitutional. Trump and his minions have made it clear they want to block "Muslims" as a specific group. Any attempt to do that will fail to pass the court's scrutiny. The Constitution of the U.S. prohibits any law being passed in support of or against any religion, and for good reason. Once any religious group uses government to promote their religious beliefs and impose them over others with different beliefs, then freedom of religion dies. The only way to protect and preserve freedom of religion for everyone in America is to keep the government of America totally and completely separate from ANY religious affiliation whatsoever. Period.
     
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    They want to block Muslims for a very good reason. It is they who are the terrorists waging a RELIGIOUS war against the west. And they come from all countries. It isn't one country against another. It is one religious group against everyone NOT their religion. And it is Muslims who want to IMPOSE their religion wherever they emigrate. They want to replace civil law with their own perverted Sharia religious law wherever they go.
     
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    Your post isn't true
     
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    Fortunately, a pompous attitude has been trumping an intelligent political demeanor with progressives, and they just can't help themselves from continuing to demean fellow Americans. Introspection is sometimes the answer when your policies are rejected.
     
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    No, I always like it when progressives alienate voters with their insults from their fictional ivory tower.
     
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    Just because other countries have made healthcare a government right doesn't mean we have to. That's not common sense. I think we should for those that are totally disabled, vets and seniors, but others should take care of themselves.

    Muslims are not prevented from entering America. The ban consists of seven nations. That's not a ban on muslims.
     
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    I agree with everything you say here. You're absolutely right. But so am I, in the sense that we live under a Constitution that prevents the passage of any law that either supports or restricts religion in any way. It places us at a disadvantage in our efforts to respond to this particular threat, but it continues to guarantee our own personal and national religious freedoms. Islam in its current form, is a real threat, not only to other religions, but to every free-thinking society. It was not always that way. During the Middle Ages, Islam was much more open-minded and progressive than western societies. Unfortunately, that didn't last. During the 1800's, a radical, uncompromising, regressive, violence prone interpretation of Islam emerged from Saudi Arabia and spread throughout the Sunni world. That interpretation is the one followed by the majority of Sunni Muslims around the world today. ISIS is the latest manifestation of that deadly form of Islam. The real answer to ISIS along with other difficulties associated with Islam generally, would be to find a way to convince Sunni Muslims to either return to the more enlightened forms of Muslim teachings prominent in centuries past, or devise a new interpretation that would step away from the ugly, violent, extreme Wahabism they are currently trapped in. I am limited in suggestions for ways to accomplish this awesome feat, but there are many smart, progressive Muslim people out there who could be invited to help find that solution.
     
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    I'm not suggesting that we should copy-cat other country's health care ideas because we "have to." I simply think it would be good for our country and its citizens. I don't think being an "individualistic American" means having to do everything alone. We are a nation and a culture that is distinct from any other on the planet, but we need to be compassionate and thoughtful and caring for and about each other. Having a national health care guaranteed for every citizen is a positive and powerful way to solidify our commitment to this nation and each other. I strongly support making it happen.
     
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    So, you'd have Trump supporters just remain silent while the left attacks every single thing Trump does all the while calling his supporters names? And that is acting like a winner? Maybe you'll recall the last president say 'we won, get over it'. Maybe you'll recall anyone opposed to Obama's policies were a racist, traitor, or terrorist. The left bullies the right, trying to silence them, but on the internet they can't do it. So, instead they cry about the right not acting like a winner,how desperate can you get?
     
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    You have no clue what the other side feels if this is what you see. You obviously are biased by the left wing propaganda that has been repeated ad nauseum from the MSM and Democrats. Maybe if Trump critics would stick to relative concerns instead of trying to make mountains out of every single thing and look in every corner for something to be outraged over, maybe Trump supporters would listen. But you can only cry wolf so often before it falls on deaf ears. That you have no understanding of the other side means you have no chance of an honest debate.
     
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    Maybe he has been politely trying to tell you that it's none of your business?
     
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    I don't really care what you "believe."

    I voted for Ronald Reagan...and have regretted it ever since.
     
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    Perhaps.

    But I still hope it happens often...and that you continue to enjoy it.
     
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    Your post is fiction actually it is a ban
     
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    No...acting like a winner is not remaining silent.

    But it does involve more than just whining the way you people are doing.

    But...continue to whine. It is one thing you conservatives are great at.
     
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    Maybe. More likely he cannot defend his left wing liberal politics and thus fence sits.
     
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    A wise man once said, 'assumption is the mother of all ****ups'. Perhaps you should take note?
     
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    An even wiser man....in fact one much wiser and more experienced once said;

    If it waddles like a f'n duck.....and it quacks like a f'n duck......why then my dear snakestretcher......it's a f'n duck.

    And it is duck season.
     
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    Government is notoriously inefficient. There is no incentive to improve efficiency. Competition improves efficiency.
     
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    If it was a ban then no muslims would be allowed in, period. It's a temporary halt to immigration from 7 nations that have a muslim terrorism problem.
     
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    Another poor loser trying to draw attention to herself and then whining when she gets it.
     
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