The Looking Glass Splinters

I dont think we should ever be afraid of winning

 

You say this - but you support a party that does most - if not all of the above. This is not to say that Blue Establishment is not also involved - 100% it is. Did you think it was for her good looks and charming personality that Hillary gets paid 250K a pop for a 15 min speech at a wall street banker luncheon ?

Of course not. It is payback for a job well done ! Ours is a "pay to play" system. If you play (along with the Establishment international financiers) you get paid - and everybody knows it.

Red Establishment is just a different side of the same coin. Reagan, Daddy and Baby Bush, Trump - Establishment wonks .. through and through.

Trump is a Rothschild puppet.

 

Trump is on the proper side of all those issues

The entrenched washington power structure in congress of both parties is the problem

 

If "winning" meant even more daed, maybe a few American Cities nuked? Right, that's why I count on guys like you arround here to say idiotic things that make me go "huh?" and laugh to myself. The cost of "winning" in that conflict woulda been STAGGERING and probably only a VERY fleeting temporary "gian" or wose a staggering loss.

Anyone fool enough to think had we drawn the Russians and Chinese in on that, that it was "winnable" under that sceanario is LONNEY. We'd be flying a hammer and sickle and stripes for a bit most likely, if not obliterated.

People think it would need to be a full scale nuclear war to wipe us out, that's a false belief. If you took any 10-15, at worst, mabe a couple dozen cities out with the kinda nukes both sides had by the sixties, humanity wouldn't exist by now in any way you could imagine anyway.

Afriad of a victory like that? Thank GOD rational people were/are/always will be.

 

Your attitude is the same as the democrat party during the second half of the Cold War

Someone called them the Surrender Monkeys

 

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IDK WTF that is, since no such entity exists, but whatever, I'm done with your fantasy drivel on the matter. Your mindset you may THINK fits with Reagan, but conservatives have puffed about that guy so long they have frorgotten even who he was. If he was around today he'd be publicly decrying the orange menace, you'd all be crucifying him as a RINO long before now.

That's the problem with Cons in 'murical largely, living with some vision of an idealized past that never was, like a fairy tale re-writing.

 

You are posting to inform me you arent going to post anymore?

Hum

 

No... Noooo Mr. Mac. Trump is a full fledged member of the dark side. You have been duped.

1) outsourcing of our manufacturing base

First point is that you had no idea that the Reagan Admin - followed by Daddy and Baby Bush - with Clinton the middle .. were responsible for this. Just on the basis of simple logic - if it wasn't this crowd - then how the who was it ?

Trump has paid "lip service" to this issue. Just as Obama paid lip service to Healthcare, Civil liberties, and Terrorism. Then turned around and failed to address any of the systemic healthcare spend issues, ravaged civil liberties ( just like Trump admin is doing), and armed Terrorists with tens of thousands of tons of sophisticated military equipment.

Actions speak louder than words. Trump has not addressed the systemic issues with respect to outsourcing .. nor will he.

The tax law is structured such that - all other things equal - it is far more beneficial to manufacture outside the US. The reason for this are loopholes which allow (2)

2) allowing international corporations to siphon money out of the US economy.

If you make a shoe in the US - assume all costs of manufacture and sales are 30 dollars - and sell that shoe in the US for 100 dollars - you are taxed on 70 Dollars.

If you make the shoe outside the US - (assume same 30 dollar cost) - and sell that shoe in the US for 100 dollars .. you are not taxed on 70 Dollars.

Nike for example - will transfer ownership of that shoe to a shell company in the Cayman Islands - That shell company then sells that shoe to the US affiliate for 90 dollars. The company is then taxed on 10 dollars.

Obama actually mentioned changing this very early on in his term - and then quickly forgot. Trump hasn't even mentioned it.

This is just one way how money is siphoned out of the US. There are numerous other ways- none of which Trump has addressed.

3) related to 2 - but a separate category - Debt and Deficits.

How is Trump on the side of Debt and Deficit reduction. This is crazy talk. Seriously. Trump himself bemoaned the massive deficits spending - but it was his pet policies that were responsible for the most of the deficit increase.

4) Dumb laws and dumber regulations, and political actions which unnecessarily impede the flow of global capital.

Trump did do some good with respect to regulations. That said - this was not a high bar. Obama was such a nightmare - and his regulatory fervor had such negative consequences - that even a Dem if elected would have eased up.

What part of "Trump is a Rothschild puppet" are you having trouble ingesting ?

 

Outsourcing was very small before clinton the republicans in congress, WTO, NAFTA amd free trade with china

Trump had nothing to do with that

I dont know who you can support with your impossible demand for perfection

But many people who could help refuse to because you wont pick a side

 

Complete BS - you do not know what you are talking about and you know it. What does the WTO have to do with this issue (as in the tax issue as described = ZERO) and NAFTA is just Mexico and Canada. While Mexico has been a problem - what do we manufacture in Canada ? - and their taxes are worse than here.

I didn't say he did ?

What he didn't do is change the issue - which goes counter to your claim that Trump is not in favor of siphoning wealth out of the US. His tax cut was a big "siphon wealth out of the US" program.

Second - you have been singing the praises of Red Establishment (previous admins) and these had a whole lot to do with "siphoning wealth out of the US".

What kind of nonsense response is this ? Who said anything about "perfection" - I am talking about the bare minimum of fiscal responsibility. Trump is the opposite. .. freaken Obama was better.

Increasing deficits at a time when the economy is good is fiscally irresponsible. Doing this in a rising interest environment is the pinnacle of fiscal irresponsibility.

Pick a side between who "Stalin and Hitler" ? How is that going to help to do anything but maintain the status quo. I look for people that have "anti establishment" credentials - and a proven track record is even better.

These are people that can help - and if possible I vote for them. Your problem - like the vast majority - is that you don't know who is who. Your measuring stick is not accurate and you are so drunk on propaganda koolaid that you couldn't read the scale even if it was.

Reagan admin was fiscal conservative - False
Reagan caused the collapse of the Soviet Union - False
Tax cuts to the elite helped the economy and trickled down - mostly false
Obama was responsible for the 2009 deficit and added 10 Trillion to the debt - False
Obama was responsible for the soaring unemployment rate after the crash - False
Iran is the #1 state sponsor of terror - False
US is not a state sponsor of terror - Horribly false
Trump is not an Establishment wonk - mostly false
Trump cares about the middle class/ "lower class" - Horribly false
Red Establishment - and the GOP in general - have respect for the founding principles - Horribly false

This list can continue for pages .. how many questions did you get right ?

 

Perpetual war is necessary to keep the good profits for the military industrial complex. Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition.

 

Really, then do you favor disbanding the fed? IN order to do away with debt,we have to crush the entire central banking system, because in fractional resrve econimics, money itself is debt. Were all debbts public and private be paid, money would lsoe all of it's value. Under this sytem debt is a REQUIREMENT for operation.

Me, I am in favor of that, but I'm also a realist who knows it isn't happening until it has to (is forced), or collapses on it's own.

The gold standard is laughable. No going back there. A resource based economy is a better solution.

That said, maybe it's in my blood. I am no Trump fan, though he seems a fan of Andrew Jackson, nor a fan of much of what the insane lunatic tried to do, but I am a direct decendent of Andrew Jackson myself. I am in favor of killing our current banking system though, like he did, perhaps in a different way though.

 

There will be change, and there has to be change - but as an American I fear for the future of my country and my loved ones.

 

Johnson threw us into Vietnam, I don't think Kennedy would have. It might have been one of the reasons he was murdered. Johnson was part of the assassination.

 

Hillary and trump are not stalin and hitler

Its odd you should put it that way because that was the choice that the Greatest Generation had to make in WWII

And unlike you they made the tough choices

 

So you are waiting for a candidate who will kill the current banking system?

And you think thst is the key to nirvana?

Wow

 

Likely most humans feel the same way.

Considering the role of mainstream media as fear-monger and propagandist, such feelings are to be expected.

 

I did not claim Hillary and Trump were "Stalin and Hitler". You position is hopelessly lost and so you have to pretend not to understand analogy, and build a strawman so you have something to attack.