The MAGAs don't realize that Trump is screwed.

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  1. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    Trump continues to rise in the Republican primary polls, as if nothing had happened.

    MAGAs and some moderate conservatives still think he is a viable candidate who can take them to the promised land.

    But Trump is screwed.

    And he knows it.

    92 criminal charges and 4 trials.

    The chances of him getting away with an acquittal for all 4 are zero.

    Especially for the cases involving classified documents and the plot to overturn Georgia's election.

    His former attorney general (Barr), his two former lawyers (Cobb and Parlatore), and this country's leading criminal law experts all say the same thing: Trump is toast.

    But the MAGA, who continue to intoxicate themselves in their echo chamber, refuse to believe the obvious: the chances that Trump will be in prison at this time next year are close to 100%.
     
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    I still think he is plotting to do a “runner”. If he could figure out how to ditch his secret service detail I think he already would be enjoying a fruit drink with MBS since Saudi does not have extradition with the USA
     
  3. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    I don't believe.

    He would become a fugitive, his company and all his assets would be seized.

    His company is worth more to him than his own family.

    It is not for nothing that he announced his candidacy months before everyone else.

    His objective was to present himself as a victim of political persecution since he knew all the criminal charges that would fall on him.

    His only way out, as futile as it may be, is to become POTUS again and benefit from immunity.

    But anyone with an ounce of sanity knows that won't happen.
     
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    they don't care. We can use the C word but that would be an understatement of a lifetime. And the GOP is screwed too. Will the GOP honor the rule of law mantra that the party has cultivated over several decades all because they want to win at any and all costs. At least one Democrat has asked Sen. Menendez to resign after he was indicted.
     
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    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    The GOP no longer has the ability to clean itself because MAGAs are putting their political agenda ahead of the integrity of their elected officials.

    The corrupt and amoral who defend their interests are automatically forgiven.

    Menedez is in deep trouble and he won't be able to count on anyone to defend him if the evidences are there.

    That's all the difference.
     
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    The problem with the GOP is that they have an inner war amongst themselves. The MEGA Republicans don't like the Reagan/Bush era conservatives and vice versa. Moderate Republicans walk a fine line inside their party and may have to vote on bills in order to stay in their seat. But they simply don't care. Even after the Paxton Trial, the MEGA Republicans are still planning to primary certain Republican state senators even though they voted to acquit.

    As for Menendez, I think he will resign eventually. Not sure about NJ law if a senator resigns during their term. The governor can appoint a person to take his place and have a special election, or appoint a person and wait until his term is over.
     
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    I also think the polls are skewed in relation to his popularity. It comes down to how they are conducted and a lot are still conducted via landline which means older voters. His “rallies” also appear to be getting smaller
    https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/20/us/politics/tulsa-trump-rally.html
    And his crowd response is not what it was. More than his money and companies it was and is the ega boost the rallies gave him that had him addicted to presidential runs but responses are not what they were
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    Doesn't he have a club in Scotland. Why couldn't he fly there, ostensibly to play golf, but then fly on to a non-extradition nation of his choice. IF he's convicted and facing what could be the rest of his life in prison having his assets seized would be the least of his worries.
     
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    If Trump were cut off from funds-- which I don't know that he could be, if family members sent him money-- what would he do in Saudi Arabia, to pay the bills? Walk around with a squeegee and soap bucket, cleaning car windshields, for tips, on city streets?

    The typical image one has of "life in prison," is not representative of what Trump faces, because unless Congress passes a law, DJT keeps his secret service protection, for life. It is possible that this leads to his only being sentenced to home confinement, though I would hope he gets some prison time, as well. But make no mistake: this would be a minimum security prison. I can't speak about Georgia's system, but we used to have a Federal Correctional Institute (a "prison") in my general area, and the inmates were all white collar criminals (including the leader of the Moonies' Unification church, Reverend Sun Myung Moon), with their own rooms, actual mattresses, and no bars. Though it might be below Trump's standard-- by comparison to real prisons, these are as others have portrayed them: country clubs.
     
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    92 criminal charges and 4 trials and innocent until proven guilty....

    He can still run and win the presidency and there is nothing you can do about it....
     
  11. Arkanis

    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    But why would I do anything about it?

    I am the privileged spectator of the collapse of the most toxic political party in US history.

    And I watch with great satisfaction as the politician I hate the most sinks into quicksand, taking his entire cult of personality with him.
     
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    What justification would the government have to seize his assets? In any case I'm sure some clever financial manager could hide sufficient assets for Trump to live lavishly.

    And I, for one would chose Abu Dhabi over Saudi Arabia.
     
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    So, "we're screwed" but you think you can't win an election without jailing Bribed Joe's leading opponent even while Bribed Joe deliberately leaves Robert F. Kennedy vulnerable to assassination?

    We've haven't seen this level of desperation from the DNC since they started the Civil War.

    First, your fevered fantasies aside, Trump's not going to prison between appeals, he lives in the custody of the Secret Service.

    Second Bribed Biden's desperation aside, he's big plan to win the election by jailing his opponent isn't going to work. You haven't noticed that Bribed Joe is nearly 12 points behind where he was in the last cycle?

    These desperate attempts by Bribed Joe the Crime Family Boss to win by jailing his opponents, aren't helping Bribed Joe, they are destroying whatever chances he may have had at winning without cheating, this time.

    What Biden's Nightmare Polls Are Really Saying

    'Last week, Donald Trump took the lead over' Bribed 'Joe Biden in the RealClearPolitics polling average of a hypothetical rematch between the two next year. While Trump also led in the average for brief periods this spring, this shift feels more significant because of what seems to be driving it.'

    'Europe is preparing for a second Trump administration.'

    In fact, so is Bribed Joe's Administration. They are trying to insulate the Federal Workforce from being purged of those that would refuse to implement the incoming Trump Administration's agenda.

    In the last cycle Trump trailed Bribed Joe every day, by at least 4.3 percent. The Trumpster is leading both because he is polling significantly better than he was in the 2020 cycle and Bribed Joe 'is doing substantially worse.'

    Pathetic desperate Bribed Biden partisans were planning to run their desperate 2024 campaign on the outright lie that if The Trumpster were re-elected that he would sign a 6 week abortion ban, and The Trumpster has made it abundantly clear that he is completely against such a ban. They are trying to win by jailing Trump, because they have nothing else. And no, you will not win by jailing the guy you can't beat in an election and shame on everyone who is trying to 'win' that way. They are enemies of the Free American People and they will fail.

    Biden lost Afghanistan and he has us underwriting a bloody stalemate in Ukraine, the nation that bribed him the most. First he greenlighted a 'minor incursion' by Putin and then he bungled 'a chance to negotiate a settlement from a position of strength; and now he is spending too much for no clear objective. Worse, it is unclear what options the administration has to control the situation' short of boots on the ground.

    Bribed Biden's Free For All on the US Border is a disaster that 'is bankrupting blue state cities. If he illegally issues 'temporary work permits without the approval of Congress, the courts will block the move, and he will be blamed for encouraging a further flow of migrants.'

    'Crime, inflation, the collapse of vital infrastructure – Americans feel their lives are getting progressively worse, and the Biden administration has no plans to reverse these trends. In many cases, its policies are seen as making them worse.'

    So you claim we're screwed, but we are leading in the polls and you all are desperately trying to jail the opponent that you know is going to beat you.
     
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    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    The trials will be public.

    The cult around Trump will collapse long before he is found guilty.



    You've been prophesying the GOP takeover for years.

    And when the Conservatives get beaten in the elections you cry conspiracy.

    Who runs this country Zoro?
     
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    Arkanis Well-Known Member

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    Here then.

    A MAGA who wants Trump to live comfortably after fleeing his country's justice.

    We have reached another bottom.
     
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    You folks are really scared...lol
     
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    Of course, anything to own the libs.
     
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    I agree with you. He is damaged goods and many of his followers are pushing his ascendency for reasons that have nothing to do with the only thing that matters-the GOP getting back the white house
     
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    Right-- if you'd read my post, you should have seen that I'd specifically said, of this part of Noone's premise, to which I'd been responding, that I didn't know if cutting off Trump's access to money, was doable:

    DEFinning said: ↑

    If Trump were cut off from funds-- which I don't know that he could be, if family members sent him money-- what would he do in Saudi Arabia, to pay the bills? Walk around with a squeegee and soap bucket, cleaning car windshields, for tips, on city streets?
    <End Snip>

    That part of my post was meant to be taken as tongue-in-cheek, even mildly humorous, perhaps. My main point had been that, even if Trump gets sentenced to "prison," it would be a pretty cushy gig.
     
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    LOL, yourself, for not getting it, that Trump is not going to win. In fact, Democrats' enthusiasm for Biden, which has been, to say the least, underwhelming, rockets upward, as soon as Trump becomes part of the picture:

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    https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...YQFnoECB0QAQ&usg=AOvVaw2umz38vbag7fNrffYvAFJ6


    I hope that print isn't too small for you. In quick recap: asked to rate their enthusiasm for supporting another Biden candidacy, on a scale of 1 to 10, only 24% of Dems rated their enthusiasm at the top number-- until they were asked the same question, with Trump being named as the Republican opponent. Then, 55% of Dems, rate their enthusiasm for Biden as a "10." For black Democrats, the number jumps from 33% to 50%. Trump is the best motivator, there is, for Biden voters; and enthusiasm translates into people making sure they vote. So yeah, baby-- go, Trump, go! He is Biden's best insurance, of a win.

    I mean-- oh no, please don't nominate Trump! We're so scared of having to compete against him.

    (But, for no reason in particular-- are any other of your candidates likely to be convicted of felonies, before the election?)
     
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    So, your claim is that although Bribed Joe is 12 points behind where he was last cycle that your counting on rigging the election through abuse of process and selective prosecution, picking up six points for Bribed Joe, and then he 'wins!'

    You're not just a little sad that you can't win without jailing your opponent?

    I realize that you all placed all your eggs in the hundred indictments bucket, but no,I don't think this approach is going to work for you. I think the economy is going to play a far larger role in the election outcome that all these other things you are pinning your hopes on.

    8 meals you can afford under Bidenomics

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    • 'A single bean: Remember, everyone has to share, so slice it up.
    • Ramen with extra water: The water really brings out the flavor and helps it last longer.
    • A nice juicy steak: From the dumpster behind Longhorn Steakhouse.
    • Your neighbor's cat: If it's good enough for Venezuelans, it's good enough for you.
    • Lightly used sushi purchased on Facebook Marketplace: It's just as good now as it was when it was made a week ago!
    • Your own words: Eating your own words doesn't just keep you out of trouble, it's highly nutritious. Yum!
    • Costco samples: Keep a sufficient supply of fake mustaches, hats, and glasses so you can hit every vendor multiple times.
    • A hearty meal of braised quail, shrimp, fresh vegetables, and a glass of finely aged wine: (Biden family members only.)'

    It's Biden who's screwed and he screwed himself.
     
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    The Nixon co conspirators apparently were sent here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Prison_Camp,_Montgomery
     
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    Oh! The aptly named “Hot Air” strikes again! Which anal emittance was this created from?
     
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    Keep thinking that. Trumps rallies are getting smaller and his public appearances have seen some, interesting, responses
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    Seems a whole flock of birds landed on Trump in Iowa
     
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    No, I said nothing like any of that. And in the 538 poll, I'd quoted-- which has a better record than I'm sure whatever pollster you are using-- Biden had been up two points on Trump but, unsurprisingly, goes further up on him, 4 more points, when a Trump felony conviction is stipulated. That is not saying that Biden, or anyone, is responsible for Trump's fate, but Trump himself. I guess you know he's guilty, too, if you seem to be expecting a conviction? Or are those yet to be chosen juries going to be filled with Democratic undercover operatives?

    Besides, according to you, there's enough evidence to put Biden away, as well. Won't that hurt Joe-- if then FBI Director Comey's merely chastising of Hillary hurt her-- when that evidence on him comes out? That is, if it ever turns up. LOL at your accusing Dems of prosecuting someone we all know was involved in wrongdoing, while Republican accusations of Biden have been nonstop, yet have produced nothing but hot air.

    So how does this work, again? The FBI took boxes and boxes of government documents from Trump's Mar-a-lago club, something for which offenders get years in prison, yet Trump did nothing wrong because either he psychically declassified them, or they had sentimental value, and belonged to Trump, or they were all planted by the Feds? All just a political witch hunt. Meanwhile, Hunter Biden gets prosecuted for an offense that almost never is prosecuted, and based on his lying on a question that the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals, has already deemed unconstitutional-- yet he's the one, who should get years in the slammer? And somehow this is tied to some farfetched corruption by Joe Biden?


    A better question, given your post, is aren't you a little sad you can't even come up with a decent argument for Trump without misrepresenting my post? And then relying on a whole bunch of bullshit information, besides?
     
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