The MAGAs don't realize that Trump is screwed.

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  1. vman12

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    Leftists don't understand that if they get the things they want, they are screwed.
     
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    It's nice they have a thread al their own to vent their Fear!!!
     
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    1. Fair trade not Free Trade
    That wouldn't be a problem if not for Reagan Freedman deregulation and trickle down
    1. Build The Wall!
    Building a wall would be prohibitively costly and self defeating.
    1. End the Endless Wars
    Republicans have started as many or more wars than Democrats. For example President Biden hasn't started any.
    The Golden Triangle shower Of MAGA[/QUOTE]
     
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  4. Arkanis

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    Like what ?
     
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    Trump faces 4 criminal trials totaling 92 charges.

    Three of the four trials involve crimes that were committed after the 2020 election.

    Your position is that if Trump is convicted and sentenced to prison, you will vote for him regardless of the evidence and the jury's decision?
     
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    No, I'm saying the timing of the trials indicates deliberate election interference and makes me want to vote for Trump as a protest against the election interference. The judicial system shouldn't be used as a tool to hinder political campaigns.
     
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    The timing of the trials is due to the fact that they had to go before a grand jury before he could be indicted. Your response looks like you're trying to find an excuse to support criminal tRaitor tRump
     
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    So if I summarize, you will vote for Trump even if he is found guilty because you consider that a candidate in an election, even if he's a criminal, must be protected from justice.
     
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    I have a feeling thats what its gonna 'look like' to a lot of people no matter what I say, when it comes to Trump.

    The timing of these trials IS election interference, and in the same regard as above, 'looks like' its deliberate.
     
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    Nope, that summary is inaccurate. Try again.
     
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    Soft on crime policies, political corruption to target people they don't like, massive illegal immigration, rent control, minimum wage changes, gender nonsense, feminism, abortion, BLM/Antifa rioting, removing your ability to purchase/carry a firearm, not prosecuting criminals, no bail laws, government-pharma ties, all the racial nonsense, etc etc.

    That enough? Was just off the top of my head.
     
  12. Arkanis

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    So anybody who declare himself a candidate must have immunity.

    Anybody or just Trump ?
     
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    No, I didn't say anything about immunity.

    I said the timing of the trials makes it look like deliberate election interference and makes me want to vote for him to protest election interference. Even if he's in jail. Or especially if he's in jail.
     
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    Shouldn't ALL Americans be looking for justice, the timing of the trials is what it is, because the justice system is what it is. I got a traffic ticket, that I had to go to court over, last year; it took two months to resolve. TRaitor tRump's charged with 91 crimes of National importance and you want to claim it on "election interference"? :roll:
     
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    If I were prosecuting Trump, I would've moved to set the trial date for Nov 6, 2024 and publicly release nothing except what's required by law about the investigation before that. Because I wouldn't want the trial to interfere with the election, or the election to interfere with the trial. Thats how to avoid the perception of bias and ulterior motive, something that is usually taken into consideration for these types of things. But in this case, apparently the optics don't matter like they usually do. Or perhaps, in this case, different optics than usual are what matter more...
     
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    What you're saying is that a political candidate - especially Trump - should be immune from prosecution.

    Trump was the first to declare himself a running mate in the GOP primary.

    He did so in November 2022.

    He rushed to do so precisely so that he could use the argument of political interference.

    If everyone thought like you, a criminal would only have to go into politics to prevent the authorities from charging him.

    Is this the country you want to live in?
     
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    A president cannot be prosecuted during his term of office.

    It's in the Constitution.

    And Trump wants to become POTUS again to pardon himself.

    You would therefore be one of those who would have contributed to electing a criminal who has the power to prevent justice from doing its job.

    So we leave Trump alone because he is a candidate despite being accused of 92 criminal charges?
     
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    He wouldnt likely be POTUS yet on Nov 6 2024, a day after the election is held. And if he were, and used his 'immunity of office' then to stop the trial, there would be a legit perception of avoiding justice. But thats not what they did, instead they opted for an election interfering trial.

    They could even have used the pending trial as a reason to call for a 10-day delay of certification of the election pending criminal charges. Oh, wait, no, now thats 'insurrection'. To bad, I guess...
     
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    Which ones?

    Are you talking about Trump's pressure on Zelensky to open an investigation into Biden?

    The US is indeed a more attractive country since a Democrat has been in power.

    Wages are rising faster than inflation.

    Don't you agree with that?

    How do you explain that even women in very conservative states don't want to lose this right?

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    Although the USA has one of the highest gun ownership rates, the homicide rate is one of the highest in the G20.

    Which shows that guns do not make the country safer.
     
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    Except you would have voted for a criminal.

    And you have no moral problem with that.

    By announcing his candidacy very early, Trump precisely wanted to discredit the judicial process by making himself appear to be a political victim.

    And you fall for it.

    Four years separate two elections.

    Trump will be able to defend the accusations against him in court and voters have the right to know, before the elections, whether one of the candidates is a criminal or not.
     
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    Its not the govts job to prevent us from voting for a criminal. Thats just one of the potential ramifications of democracy, and why you can still run for president from prison. They could have used the pending trial as a reason to call for a 10-day delay of certification of the election pending the criminal trial. Oh, wait, no, now thats 'insurrection'. To bad, I guess...
     
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    Based on Biden's public statements about withholding taxpayer funds unless Ukraine fires the person Joe demanded fired?

    The US is more attractive to criminals and illegal aliens when the citizens put them in 4 star hotels for sure.

    Raising minimum wage doesn't decrease inflation, it raises it.

    There is no right to abortion recognized at the federal level. If democrats want to kill their children, go right ahead.

    Nice photo of people peacefully protesting getting tear gassed.

    Yet the US is far safer than many countries where guns aren't available. As places like Sweden get more of the people we already have here, their grenade attacks will just increase.
     
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    No one wants to stop you from voting for a criminal.

    This is your most sacred right.

    The government's job is to enforce the law.

    And no one is above the law, including a political candidate.

    If Trump were only accused of forging a check, you might have an argument.

    But his alleged crimes are well known, numerous, amply documented, and four grand juries have voted to bring charges.

    Do you want to live in a country where anyone who enters politics - especially if they are conservative - can escape justice?

    It won't happen here.

    Move to the Philippines or Venezuela.
     
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    Says the people that vote for a guy that stores classified documents in his crackhead son's garage that he stole while he was a senator.
     
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    Wait, grenades are legal in Sweden?!?!?

    :bounce:
     

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