The Meltdown Begins: Boehner Responds To Immigration Action,,,

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    you don't see a reason for people to be free to self-treat their own illnesses, if one can't afford treatment, they shoudl be able to self treat themselves or the gov should pick up the tab
     
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    Wrong. It was expected to pass and at the last minute Reid added amendments to the bill that had been left out previously because the GOP has said they wouldn't vote for it. That is a fact that you cannot deny. The fact is that the Democrats are only concerned with immigration as a political issue and have no interest in solving it. They had two years of control of the Senate not the 72 days you claim with your asinine qualifier included. Not to mention that you lied about that as well because Reid had changed the rules anyhow so that you only needed 51 votes to get past a filibuster instead of the usual 60 so your argument is a pathetic lie in regards to that as well.

    So when will you stop lying exactly?
     
  3. mngam

    mngam Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Actually, he is incorrect according to the Homeland Security Secretary..

    Homeland Security Secretary Jeh Johnson acknowledged Tuesday that his department’s deportation numbers are now mostly made up of illegal immigrants caught at the border, not just those from the interior, which means they can’t be compared one-to-one with deportations under President Bush or other prior administrations.

    Previous administrations primarily counted only those caught in the interior of the U.S. by U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement.

    “Under the Obama administration, more than half of those removals that were attributed to ICE are actually a result of Border Patrol arrests that wouldn’t have been counted in prior administrations,” said Rep. John Culberson, Texas Republican.

    “Correct,” Mr. Johnson confirmed

    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/mar/12/deportations-come-mostly-from-border-dhs-chief-say/
     
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    Define meltdown ? To me looks like they melted down by having a meeting where any talks of government shut down and impeachment were taken off the table then went home for Thanksgiving. Not much of a meltdown
     
  5. Lil Mike

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    I don't disagree that the H1-B Visa program is used to drive down high tech wage rates, but President Obama has spoken out in support of increasing those visas, and certainly Silicon Valley, which supports the President financially, is in favor of them. My point is that the President says he supports this and lots of other things that were in the Senate bill, but he will veto them piecemeal because the only part he cares about is amnesty for illegals. Everything else is just filler to get that.

    Meanwhile, you are upset that a relatively small number of middle class people will be adversely affected by an expansion of H1-B visas, but don't seem to care at all that millions of working class people, black and white (and Hispanic for that matter) will be severely effected by legalization of millions of illegals.


    Don't disagree but see above.
     
  6. Lil Mike

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    No....I'm saying there is no political movement for that. It's merely an issue that might interest a few hundred people on the internet but there is no massive political movement to get rid of the current prescription regime.
     
  7. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think there are many that would like to get meds like Albuterol Inhalers, ect, without a prescription... even though you know you need it, you still have to pay a doctor once a year to prescribe it...
     
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    Do you have something against Jews? I've seen this before with you.
     
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    Sadly there is an explanation and it's at the heart of some of the problems. The Democrats controlled the Senate with a filibuster-proof majority prior to Edward Kennedy's death. He was replaced by Scott Brown in what was clearly a referendum of ObamaCare. Remember the Democrats still controlled the House. So the House passed unaltered the version previously passed by the Senate. This eluded the growing GOP power. The Democrats lost control of the House in the 2010 elections, so that gave them from December 2009 to December 31, 2010 to pass, as long as unaltered, any legislation that previously passed the Senate.

    The problem that creates is that it leaves no opportunity for checking and cleaning up even typographical or clerical errors. The same process bollixed up the passage of the Bankruptcy Amendments and Consumer Protection Act of 2005 (called BAPCPA).
     
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    Alucard New Member Past Donor

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    It is now 2015 and John Boehner will be resigning. On the downside, it looks like Paul Ryan may be his successor.
     

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