The myth of the palestinians

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  1. Ronstar

    Ronstar Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    how many Arabs migrated to Israel from 1949 to 2018?

    their population exploded from 180,000 to 1.7 million
     
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    Their land was returned to them, naturally they would migrate there.
     
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    Pacepa is quite reliable actually. And even the arab muslims themselves admit huge numbers of them immigrated into the region once the jews began arriving in large numbers. That's why even their leadership like arafat was born in cairo.

    I noticed that you simply dismissed the entire post without detailing a single point within it, that does not make you particularly credible on the subject.
     
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    Israel only allows JEWISH immigration and those with Jewish grandparents.

    Arabs not allowed.

    that means MASSIVE Arab natural growth in Israel.
     
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    Arabs make up 20 percent of Israel's population.

    BTW, most Muslim nations do not allow Jews.
    The Jews in muslim countries are dhiminies.
    You will not see 20 percent in any muslim country.
     
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    i am 100% Jewish. Had a bar mitzvah, have my siddur and tiffelin in my closet.

    stop with the personal attacks as they prove your argument is failed garbage
     
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    name the Muslim nations that charge a dhimmi tax on Jews
     
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    Pick one, they all use the same Qur'an. And no, they did not re-write the religion for your argument,
    Non-muslims living on muslim land pay the Jizya tax, and are second class citizens,(Dhimmines )but protected.
    This tax is regulated by the leaders, and at certain points in Muslim history, conversions were not allowed, because it dipped into the coffiers.

    (Yusaf Ali)
    Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.
     
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    name the Muslim nations that charge this tax to non-Muslims, in 2018
     
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    FYI- there are ZERO Muslim nations that apply the Jizya tax upon non-Muslims.

    and also, the Jizya tax was 100% equal to the amount of taxes applied upon Muslims.
     
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    Pick any muslim nation, they all follow the same religion. Their orders come from Allah himself

    The religion runs the countries, and exceptions are few and far between, lest the ruler is called an apostate.
    Sharia law is the standard.
    No, they did not re-write the religion for your argument.


    Jizya or jizyah is a per capita yearly tax historically levied on non-Muslim subjects, called the dhimma, permanently residing in Muslim lands governed by Islamic law. Muslim jurists required adult, free, sane males among the dhimma community to pay the jizya, while exempting women, children, elders, handicapped, the ill, the insane, monks, hermits, slaves, and musta'mins—non-Muslim foreigners who only temporarily reside in Muslim lands.
     
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    there are no nations today that impose the Jizya tax.

    which by the way when it did exist, 100% equalled taxes imposed upon Muslims
     
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    Don't waste your time, I put that poster back on ignore. They simply deny or ignore every item that proves them wrong, and makes ludicrous claims they can't defend. I also do not believe anything they say about themselves, or anything else.

    For some informative reading on the rather horrific mistreatment of jews in muslim countries, here's a start:

    https://forward.com/culture/199257/the-inconvenient-truth-about-jews-from-arab-lands/

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_antisemitism

    https://www.amazon.com/Jews-Arab-La...1529710640&sr=8-1&keywords=jews+of+arab+lands

    All together they paint a rather awful picture of how muslims have mistreated jews for over 1,000 years.

    Today, claiming that "well, the muslims don't mistreat their jewish citizens badly or tax them" is laughable stupidity since they ethnically cleansed 99% of them out 50-60 years ago. Its like saying I don't shoot people after today - because I killed everyone yesterday. This is the level of reasoning here.
     
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    Are you implying no muslim nation follows direct orders from Allah and Muhammed.
    Sorry, muslims pay the Zakat tax.
    Non-muslims pay the Jizya tax.
    This is orders from God himself
     
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    When these countries are overthrown is when the s--t hits the fan. Saddam protected the jews and Christians who complied, and they were targets when the Qur'an, sunnah, and Sharia law rose to power. after his explusion.
    Right now there are more Jews in my neighborhood, than in the entire country of Iran, and even fewer, if any, in Saudi Arabia.
     
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    there is not a single nation on Earth that charges a Jizya tax to non-Muslims.

    not....one....nation.

    sorry buddy
     
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    No one has paid Jizya tax in hundreds of years.
     
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    Fail.

    Jizya is a tax on non-muslims, living on muslim land.
    Zakat is a tax for muslims.
     
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    Nope.. There is NO Jizya tax for hundreds of years and it WAS a tax on able-bodied non Muslim men who don't want to defend the community.

    You are wrong just like you are wrong about divorce in Islam.
     
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    Google is your friend.
     
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    The Qur'an and sunnah spell out exactly what Jizya, and divorce is, now this can fluxuate with the leader of the day, but reverts back to Islam and sharia whenever the shift changes.
     
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    How much will non-Muslims have to pay as "Jizya" under our future Islamic rule?


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    Rami Sivan
    , Student of Religions
    Answered Dec 30, 2016 · Author has 1.1k answers and 3.6m answer views


    For all our Muslim apologists - you need to be reminded that the Jizyah is not some benign substitute for zakat! The dhimmi also pay the same kharaj as Muslims - (land tax) The Jizyah is accompanied by a set of rules as laid down in the Pact of Omar -bellow some are listed as such wearing distinctive clothing, standing aside to let Muslims pass, not riding on camels, not renovating or building new churches or Synagogues etc. any violation of these rules could lead to death for men and enslavery for the women and children of the dhimmis! The dhimmis are second class citizens.

    Would any migrant Muslim agree to accept 2nd class status in dar-el-harb?

    THE NON-MUSLIM POLL TAX - UMDAT AS SALIK (Shafi)

    o11.4 The minimum non-Muslim poll tax is one dinar (n: 4.235 grams of gold) per person, per year. The maximum is whatever both sides agree upon. It is collected with leniency and politeness, as are all debts, and is not levied on women, children, or the insane.

    o11.5 Such non-Muslim subjects are obliged to comply with Islamic rules that pertain to the safety and indemnity of life, reputation, and property. In addition, they:

    (1) are penalized for committing adultery or theft, though not for drunkenness;

    (2) are distinguished from Muslims in dress, wearing a wide cloth belt (zunnar);

    (3) are not greeted with "as-Salamu 'alaykum";

    (4) must keep to the side of the street;

    (5) may not build higher than or as high as the Muslims' buildings, though if they acquire a tall house, it is not razed;

    (6) are forbidden to openly display wine or pork, (A: to ring church bells or display crosses,) recite the Torah or Evangel aloud, or make public display of their funerals and feast days;

    (7) and are forbidden to build new churches or synagogues.

    o11.6 They are forbidden to reside in the Hijaz, meaning the area and towns around Mecca, Medina, and Yamama, for more than three days when the caliph allows them to enter there for something they need).

    o11.7 A non-Muslim may not enter the Meccan Sacred Precinct (Haram) under any circumstances, or enter any other mosque without permission (A: nor may Muslims enter churches without their permission).

    o11.8 It is obligatory for the caliph (def: o25) to protect those of them who are in Muslim lands just as he would Muslims, and to seek the release of those of them who are captured.

    o11.9 If non-Muslim subjects of the Islamic state refuse to conform to the rules of Islam, or to pay the non-Muslim poll tax, then their agreement with the state has been violated (dis: o11.11) (A: though if only one of them disobeys, it concerns him alone).
     
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    Some believe if they keep repeating the same post it will somehow make it less of a lie than it was the first time. After that fails, they will deflect onto anther subject.
     

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