The Myth of the 'White Race'

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  1. linchpin

    linchpin New Member

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    If you are talking about skin colour, you mean North European. There is little difference in skin tone between a Southern European and a northern East Asian, the difference lies in facial features and body build - see spread in Mexican types. The matter is complicated in that two quite distinct racial types occur in Northern Europe: Nordic ( Germanic ) and Alpine/Slavic. When you are talking about 'White' Americans you are from the racial point of view talking about Germanic ( Anglos, Continental Germans ) if you are talking about culture you are talking about English culture and language.
     
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    'White', despite the name, doesn't refer to skin colour per se, but the pale skinned native inhabitants of europe, which also have other special features than just skin colour. White includes both germanic, slavic, and alpine. The border to the south and east can be blurry, but white is also somewhat defined by history also. Thus greeks are seen as white, but not turks, even though they look similar. There also several definitions of white.
     
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    Surely Americans are so mixed that only their weird racism could suggest they weren't just all one people?
     
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    At the turn of the century in the US Greeks and Italians were NOT considered white.
     
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    The "white race" is an idiotic term made by northern European savages and their colonials to establish some form of a connection to the civilized and elegant south. Of course it is a myth .
     
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    That's what I am getting at.
     
  7. linchpin

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    Do you know the actual skin colour of the ancient greeks? A hundered years from now unless there are preseved records, the present Swedes will be assumed to have had the same colour skin and hair has the future inhabitants of Sweden ie arabic.True Turks came from cental Asia.
     
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    No you are quite wrong: up until the late 19th century, Americans were and considered themselves Anglo Saxon. These were the people with their pre-birth control high rate of generation who either settled the states or in the case of the Mexican South West swamped the origional inhabitants.
     
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    But what were Anglo-Saxons? Current estimates suggest there were five million people in Roman Britain, and that the German mercenaries may have been as few as 10,000. Antique racism is being used to justify a modern variant. The early settlers in North America were British.
     
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    The early European settlers of North America were:
    British
    Dutch
    French
    Spanish
    Danish
    German
    and probably some others that I am not thinking of.
     
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    That really depends on how you define people. obviously

    Perhaps, but I said there's several definitions of white. My own in rather broad, including the above, and tied somewhat with culture and history, but there's been other definitions throughout history of course.

    The greeks were/are not a very light people, and they do in fact note that the persians are paler than them. I don't know from where exactly, but ancient greeks did note that they were darker than their neighbors.

    People won't in a hundred years assume that swedes looked arabic. We're not living in the stone ages anymore; we are leaving lots of traces behind. Of course there'll be some kind of records of swedes' appearance.

    Of course not genetic anglo-saxons. It obviously refers to the culture.

    Swedish.

    You forgot swedish. Mentioning the danes but not us? What an insult!
     
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    There is a significant genetic discontinuity between Greeks and Turks, and then a cline through Europe. That kind of smudge we call 'Whites'. It's just a metaphor and skin color is really not what is being referred to. 'Race does not exist' groupies tend to roll all over the floor twisting their panties in confusion that Greeks have similar skin color to Turks, failing to understand that skin color is just a metaphor for a genetic cluster, and that skin color is probably the least important of the myriad genetic traits that define groups.
     
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    The population of Britain ever since the introduction of farming has been 2-3 million. Genetically the basic British population has been until 1948 a mixture of indigenous hunter/gatherers and the farming incomers from the Near East. However it is wll to remember that 10,00) years ago Europe was tundra and taiga and the Near East was Temperate so apart from an ability to tan ( latitude of origin ) the was little difference skinwise between the two groups ( Aryan/Alpine ? ) The Celts and Germans were really invasions of ruling elites although the Romans and their import of slaves probable did make a difference - look at 'Norhtern European' France.
    We are really talking culture here but it is worthwhile to consider how much of our modern age originated in the 'Germanic' countries.
     
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    If it was as you say then America would be like Canada with English spoken in one area and French in another. NO believe it or not the Anglo Saxons swamped. ( I include as at Crecy the Welsh as honoury English and the Lowland Scots and Ulstermen are WASPS too!
     
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    o c'mon now lets let lolo speak. Its always fun to try to guess what drug he is abusing today.
     
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    I'd agree, but this will be deleted anyway.
     

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