The Nation Needs Newsom vs. DeSantis in 2024

Discussion in 'Political Opinions & Beliefs' started by XXJefferson#51, Jan 22, 2023.

  1. XXJefferson#51

    XXJefferson#51 Banned

    Joined:
    May 29, 2017
    Messages:
    16,405
    Likes Received:
    14,885
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Though they appear at some level to be, neither Trump nor Biden – who carry so much non-ideology baggage – make good human surrogates for the sharp decision that needs to be made in 2024.

    Newsom and DeSantis do.

    Newsom is fresh and facile, shiny and slippery, a jargon filled jolly jumper that oozes false promises in his quest for justification for personal power; in other words, he is the physical embodiment of woke.

    DeSantis is quick and sharp, decisive and dedicated, showy and mean when needed, quiet and detailed oriented if called for; in other words, Newsom’s polar opposite.

    A very simple comparison – Newsom touts California’s teen trans tourism, DeSantis re-opened Florida’s tourist industry.

    Beyond the personal styles, the ideological differences could not be starker – California is where woke was born; Florida is where it goes to die.

    Records will be compared – Florida and California (depending upon how much stock you put into the numbers maybe-ish) had roughly equivalent COVID case and fatality numbers. California was one of the last states to reopen and in fact still has an emergency order in effect; Florida was one of the first to re-open and is currently, unlike California, seeing a major population boom.

    One telling fact about pandemic management – California lost about $33 billion to unemployment fraud, still owes the federal government about $19 billion in unemployment trust fund loans, and has decided to sharply increase the unemployment insurance taxes paid by businesses to pay off the feds. Florida lost $800 million to fraud, and not only did it not have to borrow a single dime from the feds during the pandemic, and its unemployment trust fund actually earned interest for the state.

    Of course, there is the image issue. “Florida Man” is a drag on DeSantis, while the Golden State Halo of Futures Past surrounds Newsom, even though these stereotypes are beyond out-of-date.

    It’s California with the crime problem; it’s California with the homelessness problem; it’s California with the filth problem; it’s California with the housing problem; it’s California with the massive deficit; it’s California people are leaving…

    …It is simply untenable for the nation that the current state of affairs continue too much longer – tension without hope of resolution is a very grinding condition to be in and invades and distorts and minimizes ones vision of what can be achieved…






    https://californiaglobe.com/articles/opinion-the-nation-needs-newsom-vs-desantis-in-2024/






    I agree with this op Ed piece. It’s time for a national showdown on the key issues of the day. I will be a proud member of Californians for De Santis if this is the race in the fall of 2024.
     
    Pycckia, ButterBalls and yangforward like this.
  2. XXJefferson#51

    XXJefferson#51 Banned

    Joined:
    May 29, 2017
    Messages:
    16,405
    Likes Received:
    14,885
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    De Santis can compete in the looks and style category and has a beautiful wife with her situation battling cancer and young kids in his household and would be in his early to mid forties with experience in the house as well as Governor which also stacks up well against Newscum and his story. He doesn’t have Newsoms affairs and stuff either. Plus and most importantly, he’s right on all the issues and outside of the northeast urban areas there is an anti California bias that might play In Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania. A pretty boy from San Francisco doesn’t play well in much of the country. I think De Santis will win the EC and prevent California from giving Newsom a 5 million vote cushion in the popular vote. De Santis can I believe match what the Dahle got in the governor race in 2022 here. I see De Santis getting to 300 EV’s.
     
    ButterBalls likes this.
  3. Independent4ever

    Independent4ever Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2020
    Messages:
    3,543
    Likes Received:
    3,581
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    It will be Trump for the GOP unless for some reason he drops out. Desantis has no shot to beat him
    Dems - no clue at this point
     
    Bowerbird likes this.
  4. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2022
    Messages:
    3,442
    Likes Received:
    1,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    That is exactly the decision to make, whether to be tolerant about everything and never have a meaningful thought about anything like our democrats are, win just by trying to accept everyone of every color into our group, and then have no clear idea what to do after getting elected.

    Half asleep our current president just drifts wherever the MIL pushes him, into another war or two or three, he even thinks it would be OK to fight Russia and China at the same time, and Iran/Iraq, and N Korea, and Syria, all at the same time, and a guy he had never met before in a Detroit factory, Biden wants to fight everyone.

    And which party is 'tolerant' enough to back him.

    We really are sleepwalking through history.

    Either DeSantis or Trump would at least be right half of the time, or most of the time. Biden is always wrong and the Dems don't seem to care.
     
    ButterBalls and XXJefferson#51 like this.
  5. cd8ed

    cd8ed Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2011
    Messages:
    42,182
    Likes Received:
    33,057
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    So from your post alone you want to politicize cancer, you suddenly care about adultery again, you believe government attacking private business for free speech is ok and also agree with politicians pushing hyper partisans to rewrite school curriculum.

    I hope trump burns your party to the ground (figuratively before someone tries to get me banned for threatening someone)
     
    Last edited: Jan 22, 2023
  6. ECA

    ECA Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2018
    Messages:
    32,400
    Likes Received:
    15,907
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Repub pols are too much of a bunch of pu55ies to go after Trump so he’ll likely steamroll them like a bunch of bitches and get the nom. Who the hell knows who the Dems will have. I don’t think it will likely be Biden.
     
  7. Mr.Incognito

    Mr.Incognito Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,671
    Likes Received:
    645
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    I think the race should be between anyone but Trump and Biden. I personally think they are both too old. No offense to anyone their age though. Lol
     
    Noone likes this.
  8. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2022
    Messages:
    3,442
    Likes Received:
    1,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    A lot of young people voted for Biden, being young isn't a plus.
     
  9. WhoDatPhan78

    WhoDatPhan78 Banned

    Joined:
    Sep 10, 2021
    Messages:
    8,497
    Likes Received:
    5,066
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I don't want Newsome anywhere near the nomination.
     
  10. Noone

    Noone Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2021
    Messages:
    14,108
    Likes Received:
    8,341
    Trophy Points:
    113
    I hope you get your wish. Especially after "the McCarthy fiasco". DeSenseless, given the opportunity (you're hoping for), will show himself a charter member of the current crop of rEpublican, empty suits topped with a bobble-head, leadership.
     
  11. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2010
    Messages:
    24,761
    Likes Received:
    21,840
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The OP is fake news. Just wait until the OP posts numerous threads supporting Trump going after DeSantis with reckless intent during the GOP primaries. LOL
     
    bigfella and Noone like this.
  12. Mr.Incognito

    Mr.Incognito Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,671
    Likes Received:
    645
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    That was just because of who he was going against. If Trump is the GOP candidate, I suspect they'll hold their nose and support Biden again.
     
  13. yangforward

    yangforward Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2022
    Messages:
    3,442
    Likes Received:
    1,482
    Trophy Points:
    113
    ? Pres. Trump was the GOP candidate.

    The key event tipping the election in favor of Angry Biden was that Trump was recovering from COVID at the time of the debates.

    Other factors were that the Democrats had picked up a large collection of populist topics, many of which were contrary to other Democrat policies, but got voters backing on all of the topics.

    But being 'tolerant' as Dems are, there was never a point where the conflicting interests were debated.

    And that could be why Dems often get in, but then are a big disappointment.
     
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2023
  14. Just A Man

    Just A Man Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    12,552
    Likes Received:
    9,578
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If Trump goes after DeSantis he will meet his match. Bring it on.
     
  15. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    If you think this will give DeSantis an edge in 2024, it won't.
     
  16. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Trump is already going after DeSantis. Even his own daughter in law, Laura Trump, went on Fox and basically stated unequivocably for DeSantis to run in 2028 and not in 2024, or "there will be consequences."
     
  17. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2016
    Messages:
    20,275
    Likes Received:
    16,194
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Newsom's democrats have just introduced a bill that is a "wealth tax", some thing several greedy states have considered, but lack the guts to go for. The California bill is designed to tax resident who have left the state as well as those who live there, it says- and like many shenanigans, it start with :eek:nly the ultra rich" then drop the threshold to hammer exponentially more people. Not income tax, this is tax on what you have- every year. Since Newsoms government has already given California the nations highest taxes, that breaks their own record.

    Californians may be too dumb to see the writing on the wall, but I doubt the rest of the country would be so blind.
    If he runs against DeSantis, his tax mania will be the nails in his own political coffin.

    https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-democrats-consider-wealth-tax-people-moved-out-state
     
    Last edited: Jan 23, 2023
  18. Just A Man

    Just A Man Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2009
    Messages:
    12,552
    Likes Received:
    9,578
    Trophy Points:
    113
    She is flapping her tongue. It won't work against DeSantis.
     
  19. mitchscove

    mitchscove Well-Known Member Donor

    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2016
    Messages:
    7,870
    Likes Received:
    4,479
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Keeping Newsom, Pritzker and Hochul where they are benefits the other 47 states. They need to do a better job of selling the fact that murder, rape and theft are legal in their states ,,, and that legal gun ownership is virtually impossible.

    Once we've moved 80% of violent criminals to states where they're wanted, a public registry of gun owners in the other states will draw violent criminals to gun free homes. Perhaps, rather than a gun owner registry, broadcasting gun-free homes would make it easier for criminals to be distracted from gun-free schools.
     
  20. Mr.Incognito

    Mr.Incognito Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Mar 24, 2017
    Messages:
    1,671
    Likes Received:
    645
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    DeSantis isn't the one Trump needs to worry about. Pence could do far more damage. Pence needs to ask Trump on national TV why he asked him not to do his sworn duty of certifying the election and put his family in immediate danger.
     
  21. Talon

    Talon Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2008
    Messages:
    46,814
    Likes Received:
    26,370
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Which has nothing to do with the general election, Chuckles....
     
    Kal'Stang likes this.
  22. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    We already have a "wealth tax" called the estate tax. that is federal purposes and was first introduced in 1789. Imagine that. Then it was reintroduced in 1861 or 1862 to help pay for the war. And finally introduced permanently in 1913 and the rest is history.
     
  23. WalterSobchak

    WalterSobchak Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jul 21, 2010
    Messages:
    24,761
    Likes Received:
    21,840
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Which has everything to do with being a hypocrite though. Tee Hee
     
  24. spiritgide

    spiritgide Well-Known Member Past Donor

    Joined:
    Mar 25, 2016
    Messages:
    20,275
    Likes Received:
    16,194
    Trophy Points:
    113
    Gender:
    Male
    Estate tax- on inheritance when you die. Wealth tax- skimming part of your total wealth year after year, siphoning off while you live, so there may not be an inheritance to tax as all.
    Then, the fact they have proposed a way to tax that is people who moved away are no longer residents of the state? Evil incarnate. These people are addicted to spending money like a crack cocaine addict needs a fix- and it never ends.
     
  25. Alwayssa

    Alwayssa Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jun 13, 2012
    Messages:
    32,956
    Likes Received:
    7,587
    Trophy Points:
    113
    The Estate Tax or the State Inheritance Tax is a WEALTH tax. We used to have an additional surtax called a luxury tax, but that is not a wealth tax.

    Wealth tax means you are taxing the wealth of an individual, not income. Property Tax is a form of wealth tax although it applies to anyone who owns real property, minus any exemptions to the property of course.

    The proposal that is in question here is similar to the expatriation tax from FATCA rules that were passed in 2006 under IRC 877A. You will file form 8854 if you meet the rules. This is the "Elon Musk" tax that is a more common phenomenon and limits businesses from leaving. But it is not a true wealth tax. It will depend on how many assets you want to keep in California if you decide to leave. Under California rules, you have full resident, partial resident, and nonresident tax forms under the California tax code, similar to the Internal Revenue Service on how it deals with tax residents, partial tax residents, and nonresidents for tax.
     

Share This Page