The Nazi Stage Theme at CPAC

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  1. HereWeGoAgain

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    Yeah right. Nevermind what is right in front of your nose. Use the first rationalization that comes to mind to deny the obvious. That is exactly how it worked for the Nazis too. Thanks for being a demonstration of that.



    You are watching a right-wing rally give Nazi salutes and saying hail trump, and yet you claim it's the fault of the left for pointing out the obvious.
     
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  2. Tejas

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    The analogy between Trump's and Hitler's populist rallies is obvious... but their messages were different.
     
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    OK, I see it now, but c'mon, that's a bit of a stretch doncha' think? You got to lay things out somehow and that's as symmetrical as the next. Also, you had to flip it and the symbol is a really simple one.
    I mean the whole idea of coincidences is that they're sort of not really natural, but they are, yes?

    OTOH modern Trumpist Republicanism just chokes Godwin with abundance, doesn't it?
     
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  4. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    How? Trumpism isn't anti-Semitic (yet) but how else is it all that different?
     
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    In a divinely managed universe there are meaningful synchronicities... not random coincidences.

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    evidently David Duke had buyer's remorse as he went on to endorse a Democrat for 2020 but you probably know this right
     
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    In his rallies, Hitler overtly promoted Aryan ethnic Germans and moral family values.

    In his rallies, Trump overtly promoted foreigners, Jews, homosexuals and nonwhites... which was odd because most of his supporters were White Christians!

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  8. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    With all due respect WTF are you talking about?

    How did Trump ever promote ANY of those kinds of people?
     
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    Did David Duke endorse Biden ??

    Maybe Duke remembers something important VP Biden said in a 2013 speech.

    Or maybe Duke is an undercover mole [lots of Fed moles in "White supremacy" groups.]

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    He was endorsing Tulsa gabbard
     
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    Trump touted homosexuals in his GOP acceptance speech. He appointed a homosexual as ambassador to Germany. Trump also touted legalizing homosexuality globally. I watched most all of Trump's rallies... he would dance to the overtly homosexual song YMCA and tout how much he has done for every racial/religious group. He would list racial groups by name [Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, etc]... but ironically, he never mentioned White Christians... even though they comprised most of his audience.

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    No coincidence is random. We create them all. God has no need of management
     
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    That only confirms my suspicion he is a Fed mole.

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    Oh lord, have I stumbled upon a hyper-Calvinist?

    And in light of that possibility I am beginning to doubt the whole CPAC tape. It wouldn't be that hard to stage and I haven't seen anything on the evening news about it. Nazis aren't usually that obvious. Hell, HITLER wasn't that obvious.
     
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    Define "hyper-Calvinist" ?

    As I previously posted... while Hitler and Trump both had populist rallies... their message was different.

    Like Putin who constantly glorifies Bolshevik Stalin's cultural marxist victory over Hitler... Trump is another anti-Hitler.

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    Not sure what to make of that to what end what he endorse her
     
  17. Aleksander Ulyanov

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    HOOOkay, nice talking. (backs away slowly)
    Hyper-Calvinist is from Wiki

    I can't see any substantive differences between Hitler and Trump. Trump isn't overtly anti-semitic but the Jews are not the enemy du jour. Trump is very Hitleresque in his use of "enemies" as the main device to seize, hold and consolidate power
     
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    ROFL!!!! Leftists unhinged... on the next Sally Jesse Rafael.

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    My initial reaction was that this was probably just a coincidence since, as you point out yourself, Grey Matter, it's not a complicated layout: a square (stage) with two adjacent sides extended to provide walkways from backstage left & right, coming together at the back corner of the square (which need be rotated so that the corner is in the middle of the stage, so that the perpendicular walkways will lead to the two backstage wings); the only curious element in the design are the two wing tips, which I guess are meant to be a way for the speaker to come see the parts of the audience who are near those two front walls, despite the walkways appearing far too short to warrant a need for any such accommodation (the other use that comes to mind, are as spots for go-go dancers). But after a brief weighing of the evidence, I think there probably was a desire to iterate a symbol in the stage design. The only question is, which one?

    1) Is there a sufficient element of those espousing at least some Nazi ideology, or admiration for Hitler's Germany, in the CPAC crowd (which formerly had been at the far right of the Republican Party) to be worth signalling? I think we've seen strong indications of that ever since Charlottesville. Trump has blown that whistle at least a couple of times, but it's unlikely he had anything directly to do with the stage design.

    2) We know there is an even greater presence of Conservative Evangelical Christians on the far right (part of the traditional CPAC crowd).

    3) While I agree with Grey Matter that, if we were to think of these two symbols as different letters, as in a foreign alphabet, the design would clearly be the Nazi symbol (which is essentially the Swastika, w/ 2 legs chopped off), not the fish. But could someone modernize the ancient fish symbol to have a truncated, diamond-shaped body? It's certainly possible.

    As for the idea of acting symbolically, that is part of human nature, itself. We all do it, to some degree, often without even realizing. But politicians & the politically-minded pay a great deal of attention to such things. The place they begin a campaign, for example, is anything but haphazard. Reagan kicked off one of his runs for the Republican nomination in a certain Southern town that was meant to clearly alert the initiated where he stood as far as racial equality was concerned. It's a message that many of us had no inkling was being sent.

    And symbolism played a large role, for those who may need reminding, in the ensnaring web of the recent Qanon phenomenon, which proved amazingly effective. If either the stage designer or, I think slightly more likely, the person who hired the stage designer, wanted to project a symbolic message, there's no reason to believe they would refrain from doing so.

    If it was more of a personal message, the odds would seem to favor the Christian symbol (but not exclude, of course, the potential motivation relating to Nazi sympathies). If, on the other hand, it was intended, principally, as a dog-whistle to a select group-- even though Christian Conservatives are by far the bigger part of the CPAC coalition, and their desire to eliminate abortion, along with bring about other moralistic Supreme Court rulings, has been the honey that has numbed them to the sting of Trump's behaviors, who is the clear ruler of both the overall Republican Party & (especially) the CPAC crowd-- I have to think the Nazi-esque symbol is the more likely template. This is because, cristiansoldier's immediate association notwithstanding, I don't think this Cubist version of the Christian symbol is that obviously recognizable; and as the goals of this voting block is no secret, & there is nothing taboo about that symbol, it is inexplicable that they wouldn't want the symbolism to be blatantly clear (is CPAC really worried about putting-off non-Christians?). It only makes sense, if the symbol is meant to pass for just a regular stage, that it be something that would not be acceptable (yet) to openly display in such a venue. A symbol meant to encourage an ardent and increasingly prominent part of the base.

    While outright White Supremacists are not too numerous (I hope), we have seen in the last two presidential elections that the presidency hangs on a paltry number of votes in a few key states. Trump Republicans don't need more Christian support in the South, and they've already got strong turnout from that group in the Midwest. What they really want is NEW VOTERS, like those who've felt let-down & left out by our system, particularly in some of the old industrial centers of Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania: the Rust Belt. Neo-Nazis fit this profile. They bring new energy to the party, as well as the sort of dedication that has tactical value, as in voter intimidation.

    But what most concerns me about their rise is that while, as I said, out-&-out, declared White Supremacists are not legion, racists are. And with the Right encouragement, history has shown, in many places, this type of hate-mongering enthusiasm can be unbelievably contagious.
     
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    Oh man, I missed this one. Brilliant. Absolutely brilliant. Russia, 45 es un títere, golf clubs and a wad of Benjamins.
     
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    FYI, that tape (I assume) isn't from the current CPAC, as I'd seen the same thing on the Rachel Maddow show, on MSNBC, more than a year ago.
     
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    Liz Cheney has become concerned enough about the image the POT is projecting she felt compelled to say.............."We are not the party of QAnon or anti-Semitism or Holocaust-deniers, or white supremacy or conspiracy theories. That’s not who we are. We believe in conservative principles and conservative values and we believe in the Constitution." I have no doubt she was speaking for herself as well as an uncertain % of the party. But there is a large faction of the party that fits the description she argued against to one degree or another.
    It's not a coincidence that the last time a Dem presidential candidate won the majority of the white vote was prior to the civil rights movement.
     
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    I wasn't familiar with this symbol or its association with the Nazis. I saw this comparison on a "private" FB group. I predict that this symbol will become a bit better known now.
     
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    In 2018 at CPAC Mona Charen said...........“Speaking of bad guys,” Charen interjected, her tone louder and more aggressive than before, “there was quite an interesting person who was on this stage the other day. Her name is Marion Le Pen. Now, why was she here? Why was she here? She’s a young, no-longer-in-office politician from France. I think the only reason she was here is because she’s named Le Pen.” A man screamed from the audience: “Why are you here?” Charen continued: “And the Le Pen name is a disgrace. Her grandfather is a racist and a Nazi. She claims that she stands for him. And the fact that CPAC invited her is a disgrace.”
    https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/02/25/donald-trump-conservatism-cpac-2018-217081/

    She was summarily booed off the stage.
     
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    What! No potted edelweiss's too? Oh brother, really? I mean REALLY.....:roflol:
     

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