Why are you so afraid to be wrong? You make this totally deceptive claim about sideways when any honest person sees random smoke. But...no such randomness exists for the penthouse collapse. Whatever game is being played here, the net result is that the footage shows a clear collapse wave and random changes through smoke motion.
Never. There are large posts getting completely ignored and now we get this pathetic diversion about sideways junk when any honest person sees smoke moving.
check ace baker, you keep ignoring it Ah so we add yet another blunder to list! Yes I asked for you to outline the pent house as it fell and you completely ignored. Only take ya 15 minutes, much shorter time than dancing with me as you seem to enjoy so much. cant have it both ways but you sure try....and try.....and try.....and try
Noise. The penthouse collapses through the building, the sped up gif shows this perfectly and irrefutably. We had the batshit claim about it being "cgi overlay", but we missed the proof. Now we have the dishonest claim that it spreads sideways, when it is random and almost certainly smoke.
I Googled ace baker and found nothing significant … the composer? Quit being obtuse and just explain yourself or provide a link or something, anything …
He's basically an imbecile plagiarist who stole most of his batshittery from "September Clues". I think the two teams of clowns are at loggerheads with each other.
voice overdub LOL Geeebus, 74 million hits and you cant find ace baker, Beta and Shine, I have asked you countless times to: 1) SHOW US THE PENTHOUSE TRAVELLING THROUGH THE BUILDING. AND 2) SHOW US THE CORE TRAVELLING THROUGH THE BUILDING. 3) STILL NOTHING FROM EITHER OF YOU. You had ample opportunity to tell us and now I am forced to call BLUNDER. First we can plainly see that what you think is the penthouse and core moving through the building is SMOKE. No CORE and no PENTHOUSE can be seen, just light reflections. So here is SLOW-MO where no core can be seen and no penthouse can be seen traversing downward as claimed by the debunker camp. This is large enough to see whats going on plenty of time with each frame. Often debunkers post highly pixelized low res to hide key elements in fuz blobs. we can see the smoke moving back and forth covering the reflection off the building on this large version. I believe the tiny blob posted earlier was designed to hide this from everyone. Either way no core can be seen and no penthouse can be seen moving down the building. You all owe me a concession.
Noise. Clearly we are getting hyperbole, bloviating replies and desperate obfuscation here. It's too late. The game's up. The video and both animated GIFs show two things. One, the penthouse collapsing in a clear downward wave. Irrefutable. Two, smoke wafting across the building. Now neither of these two are confusing. The wave is obvious as is the random shimmering on the right. So why the desperation here, to cover this up? It's a total slam-dunk. Most viewers will totally get why. Spending well over a decade saying one thing and having it refuted must be hard to bear. And why? What possible reasoning works in this ridiculous "demolition'" crap? This below has been ignored 10 times or more! The basic list ignored, but oh, so very relevant: To rig the building for demolition would need a reason for it to be performed. This is pure chance. They could not KNOW large chunks would hit it and set off fires. Demolition charges would need to be resistant to many hours of unabated raging fires within the building on numerous floors. Now the fire teams all reported creaking/instability sounds. They could tell it was in danger of collapse. Insurance-wise the building was a write-off already, from the fires and damage. There would be no reason to demolish it! Previously claimed are vital records that needed to be destroyed. By splattering them all around lower Manhattan instead of just burning them? In the world of business, things are copied and backed up. How long to place charges around the multiple support columns? 2 hours maybe? NOBODY would have batted an eyelid if the official line said the building was too unstable to remain upright, so we are bringing it down for safety reasons. This whole building 7 (multiple claims) makes no logical sense. There is no reason to any of it. The ridiculous excuses made and now we've got to the "flat earth" of 911, with the citations from the imbecile "Ace Baker". Completely irrelevant to this current evasion... Penthouse collapse wave, game over folks. Just look at the desperation in play trying to cover it up!
That said if you told me that the flashes we can see is demolition sequence, yep Id agree. The core and penthouse seen dropping is utter nonsense. Nice goal post moving! Yes the core and penthouse does drop through the building, but you CANT SEE IT like you claimed and there is not wave like you claimed! LMAO That was a major BLUNDER that you made! Glad to see you finally admit it and agree with me!
The penthouse collapses through the building, the sped up gif shows this perfectly and irrefutably. We had the batshit claim about it being "cgi overlay", but we missed the proof. Now we have the dishonest claim that it spreads sideways, when it is random and almost certainly smoke.
Beta and Shine, I have asked you countless times to: 1) SHOW US THE PENTHOUSE TRAVELLING THROUGH THE BUILDING. AND 2) SHOW US THE CORE TRAVELLING THROUGH THE BUILDING. 3) STILL NOTHING FROM EITHER OF YOU. You had ample opportunity to tell us and now I am forced to call BLUNDER. First we can plainly see that what you think is the penthouse and core moving through the building is SMOKE. No CORE and no PENTHOUSE can be seen, just light reflections. So here is SLOW-MO where no core can be seen and no penthouse can be seen traversing downward as claimed by the debunker camp. This is large enough to see whats going on plenty of time with each frame. Often debunkers post highly pixelized low res to hide key elements in fuz blobs. we can see the smoke moving back and forth covering the reflection off the building on this large version. I believe the tiny blob posted earlier was designed to hide this from everyone. Either way no core can be seen and no penthouse can be seen moving down the building. IF YOU CANT SEE IT IN SLOMO IT AINT THERE! You all owe me a concession.
[QUOTE="Kokomojojo, post: 1074273150, member: 28583"]Beta and Shine, I have asked you countless times to:1) SHOW US THE PENTHOUSE TRAVELLING THROUGH THE BUILDING.AND2) SHOW US THE CORE TRAVELLING THROUGH THE BUILDING.3) STILL NOTHING FROM EITHER OF YOU.You had ample opportunity to tell us and now I am forced to call BLUNDER.First we can plainly see that what you think is the penthouse and core moving through the building is SMOKE.No CORE and no PENTHOUSE can be seen, just light reflections.So here is SLOW-MO where no core can be seen and no penthouse can be seen traversing downward as claimed by the debunker camp.This is large enough to see whats going on plenty of time with each frame.Often debunkers post highly pixelized low res to hide key elements in fuz blobs.we can see the smoke moving back and forth covering the reflection off the building on this large version.I believe the tiny blob posted earlier was designed to hide this from everyone.Either way no core can be seen and no penthouse can be seen moving down the building.IF YOU CANT SEE IT IN SLOMO IT AINT THERE!You all owe me a concession.[/QUOTE] Noise, yet again. The saddest part about this whole pathetic obfuscation is that the obvious slam dunk gif is being ignored. What we are seeing is pure desperation. The gif shows the penthouse dropping through the building. Three pages later and the slam dunk evidence is there for all to see. But how deceptive is the gif above, where he's slowed it to an impossible to see speed! Game over folks. Notice absolutely nobody is taking this one on.
Check this out. How the ASCE Abetted the 9/11 Cover-Up https://www.ae911truth.org/news/963-how-the-asce-abetted-the-9-11-cover-up (excerpt) ------------------------------------------------------------ The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is not the only institution responsible for covering up the truth of how nearly 3,000 people died at the World Trade Center on September 11, 2001. The American Society of Civil Engineers (ASCE), as the leading engineering organization in the United States, also abetted the crime by endorsing NIST's fraudulent reports and attempting to shut down any challenge to the official story within their membership. ------------------------------------------------------------ The deep state seems to have control over any big organization.
But it's just more circular batshit reasoning already addressed. Meanwhile @Scott avoids real in-your-face evidence:
I've always considered what this guy says to be a slam dunk. Tom Sullivan - Explosives Technician - Loader - AE911Truth.org Here's some more. Architects Engineers - Solving the Mystery of WTC 7 - AE911Truth.org - YouTube.mp4 Here's something I should have put in my last post. Why Do Good People Become Silent—or Worse—About 9/11? https://www.ae911truth.org/evidence...sychology/278-part-1-preface-and-introduction
As I said, nobody in the truf camp has addressed this honestly. Quite clearly the penthouse drops all the way through the building in one gigantic collapse. Tom "the explosives loader" says one column collapse is impossible, yet Tom "the explosives loader" doesn't factor in raging fires for the whole day! This joke of a conspiracy is 22 years old and still persists like a putrified and flogged, dead horse. The stunningly obvious points below never answered: Fire teams reported the building creaking and imminent collapse! If it was in danger of collapse, what would be the problem in bringing it down anyway on safety grounds!? If it wasn't in danger of collapse (firemen lying!), what would be the problem in saying it was and bringing it down anyway on safety grounds!? Simply quickly rig it, warn everyone and blow it. Nobody would bat an eyelid. (Well maybe the trufers would concoct something!) What the hell reason, in any world of batshit, do they have to bring it down anyway? The idea there was sensitive material leads to the damn obvious, well let it burn then. Send in some heat protected guys with flame throwers to really do it. Or if this thing was planned then rig fire incendiaries. The damn obvious bring it down and scatter the sensitive data all over Manhattan seems just a little on the dumb side. Here's the thing. If they rigged it to drop in advance, how the hell did they know it was going to get hit by WTC debris and catch fire!? It's all a big pile of horseshit. @Scott - how about answering posts instead of evading them, you know, objectivity, truth seeking etc.
The viewers can look at what experts in the videos say and your analyses of it and come to their own conclusions. I'm a layman so all I can do is speculate but I can't see how anything you've said debunks what those experts say. Nothing you've said explains the explosions heard before the actual collapse. I'd bet that most viewers are going with those experts.
Evasion and noise. What you bet on is irrelevant and usually a failure. @Scott How about answering posts instead of spam and evasion? An honest truth seeker would wonder about all of that!
What do you figure it sounds like when chunks of building and jet fuel come whizzing down the elevator shafts?
@Eleuthera Instead of making meaningless posts, why don't you actually address things? This post below details items about WTC7 that any honest seeker of the truth would seek answers to, do you fall into that category? If so it would be a local category of 1.
