The Old Testament declares that Jesus is not required...

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  1. John.

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    Then he dies in vain and failed, too, cause we are in the same boat we were in before Jesus. Just 2 more millenia that Love thy neighbor has not worked.
     
  2. dairyair

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    Well then you should've participated in the tough christian questions thread. There seems to be many errors brought up and not answered.
     
  3. Woody

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    Oh really? I guess not as long as christians can change the meaning of the words to fit their bill. Errancy is a common theme in a book written by men and not some sight unseen deity......
     
  4. Incorporeal

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    Yes to the one question below; and I concur with some of the points you made but am borderline on the others... In other words, I am not totally convinced by your assertions.

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    I did participate in that thread... I lost interest in the same old rants from both sides of the fence. Look back at that thread ... I only made a couple of postings in that thread. Yes you erred.
     
  5. Incorporeal

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    What book was not written by men? Seems that you have also obliterated all books, because they were all "written by men and not some sight unseen deity." So much for science, philosophy, or any other subject in which man was the writer of the books. Congratulations.
     
  6. dairyair

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    Then you saw the errors within the bible.
     
  7. Woody

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    Wrong!!!!!!!!!!! All books do not claim to be the inspired word of some god....

    Nope. Agian, all books do not claim to be the inspired word of a gawd......nice try but your word games failed.
     
  8. Incorporeal

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    Now let us look again at what you said:
    "Errancy is a common theme in a book written by men and not some sight unseen deity......"

    You have essentially stated that no books were written by a "sight unseen deity" thus postulating that all books had to be written by men. You have attempted to evade my statement by giving it one of those political spins, else you are now saying that some books have been written by "some sight unseen deity." You cannot have it both ways. Either all books were written by men else some books were written by 'some sight unseen deity'. Now which one is it?


    Your original statement above did not contain such a qualifier as being "the inspired word of gawd." Your reference was, and I repeat again ""Errancy is a common theme in a book written by men and not some sight unseen deity......"" Don't be trying to move the goal posts.
     
  9. cupid dave

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    MLK KNEW from the threats and the government conspiracy at work that he was putting his life on the line.

    The 6 young Jewish guys who went down to Philadelphia, Miss. did the same thing, standing up for the truth right in the center of the red neck south.
    Those six martyrs and saints were buried alive in their own car.
     
  10. cupid dave

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    Love thy neighbor was Old Testament.
    It was the sum of that Torah, which included love fr God, t.

    What has been working for the last 2 millennia is Truth.
    Truth is now both available through the Scientific Method and open to global dissemination in this Information Age.
    The "end" is beginning.
     
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    Well, the Thread Title is :The Old Testament declares that Jesus is not required... and I just came up with Deut 18:15, which clearly states that God will send a prophet that will accomplish the goals of the Torah, inferring both that Torah will not in itself be adequate and the Jesus was to come and of the job of getting them to listen.


    Deut 18:15 The Lord thy God will raise up unto thee a Prophet from the midst of thee, of thy brethren, like unto me; unto him ye shall hearken;

    So that seems to contradict your OP.
     
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    Well bring them up, and forget a site that is here to respond to the correction that we can give to those who don't understand what the bible says.

    Your cry here is typical of the sites that try to list criticism against he Bible, in that they can be shown to be in error.
    But they neve can be shown to admit or retract their bashing because they are closed minded and bias against the scriptures.
     
  14. dairyair

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    And yet, his chose people, who wrote the OT, have not seen this prophet.
    Note, it is a prophet.

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    This isn't the thread for that. I'm not going to hijack this one.
    If you want to correct what people see as biblical errors, then go to that thread and answer.
     
  15. cupid dave

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    Nonsense,... I have answered them all, but you don't want answers and prefer questions.
    What you do is ask a question and disregard the answer, as if you are th judge of its vaklidity.

    That is a totally different excursion into the discussion since you OUGHT first have listed the rules by which you, yourself, will accept an answer.
    No one can make YOU say the OP was wrong.

    For instance, you might have started this thread by saying, "I will accept a passage from the OT that tells us that "The Old Testament declares that a Jesus is required"...
     
  16. dairyair

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    Take this to the other thread.
    I've seen your answers. They are your own version of "truth". If you're going to go way out in left field and give answers from left field, you will have to expect more questions as they are new to most.
     
  17. cupid dave

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    DEAD WRONG...

    The Thread OP states "The Old Testament declares that Jesus is not required"...

    WHICH IT DOESN'T.

    Deut 18:15 specifically states a prophet like Moses, (miracle worker), will be sent and if they do NOT listen, ..."it will be required of them to do so."


    18 I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

    19 And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.
     
  18. cupid dave

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    LOL

    Do you deny that Deut 18:15 states that a prophet like Moses will come, and require that the peple do behave according to the Torah???

    That is the issue of the Thread...
     
  19. dairyair

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    You're confusing 2 topics here.

    I didn't deny anything. I said the chosen people of God have not seen this prophet. God's chosen people are still waiting for Deut 18:15 to occur.
     
  20. cupid dave

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    Its ME who is confusing the OP with this new objection: that Jews claim they have not seen it happen yet????

    (And, of course, they Jews DO acknowledge that their peple DID see that prophet in 800 BC, The Elijah, whom they immediately ignored as soon as he rode into heaven).
     
  21. Woody

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    Not my OP... just goes to show that you get so wrapped up you don't even know who started the thread.
     
  22. cupid dave

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    What about The Elijah?

    Was he NOT a prophet like Moses?
    And, did he not only come but disappear without dying, going straight to heaven?
     
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    If he disappeared then how would anyone remaining on the earth know whether or not he died, and if he disappeared, then how would anyone on earth know his whereabouts after the disappearance?
     
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    So then I take it you don't believe in the possibility that King David would reincarnate over and over and over again and perhaps be given clues as to a future lifetime!!????

    http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Psa&c=22&v=1&t=KJV#top

    Psa 22:14 -"I am poured out like water, and all my bones are out of joint: my heart is like wax; it is melted in the midst of my bowels. My strength is dried up like a potsherd; and my tongue cleaveth to my jaws; and thou hast brought me into the dust of death. For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet."

    In my opinion King David was involved in somehow making up for the fall of Adam...both in his life as David....and in his previous and later lives??!!
     

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