The Red Wave of Conservative Women Elected to Congress

Overall, they're social liberals, including engineers. I taught computer science courses to high school students and adults for years.

Democrats under Biden have been reaching out to younger voters and leaving Trump to appeal to those older voters concerned with conservative social issues. I'm convinced the "deplorables" thing is the past.

Joe wants to win middle-class voters back by caring about fixing this...



... and getting workers education, job training, and healthcare. If he doesn't get derailed by dumb stuff like "defund the police," handwringing responses to street thugs like Antifa, and impractical environmentalism, he's going to force Republicans to fight the next Presidential election on something other than the "deplorables" shtick.

Sure. Why not?

 

Yes I agree. Crenshaw's another one of the cowards (the political sort) or the collaborators. We will see. I would say coward as he seems to have just once or twice not fallen in line behind the Dear Leader. But he's pretty much like the rest of the GOP and on the wrong side of history (COVID, Climate Change, American Healthcare...). Wasn't Crenshaw born outside the USA? Clearly he is an American citizen who was not natural born but acquired his citizenship through blood, was naturalised at birth per Zimmer vs Acheson, which excludes him from being POTUS. I expect, should he be a candidate we will see the people who argued that US born Obama was not a natural born citizen because he had a "British" father, do somersaults to argue that all the legal precedents that no citizen born outside the USA can run for POTUS, should be set aside by the "originalist" "anti-activist" SCOTUS. Ah the sweet smell of American hypocrisy...another re-run.

I also agree with you that the liberal demographic keeps fading away. Always. Plenty of ex hippies are now conservatives. Liberals are incredibly complacent and that's actually their problem. Because of this over confidence they make a lot of mistakes: stupid slogans like "defund the police" which most people interpret as "abolish the police" as that's what it means in English; forgetting that many immigrant communities are inherently conservative, even reactionary; the eager abandonment of white working class men; alienating people with cultural exceptionalism ... all stupid, over confident, elitist mistakes. They should stop fighting culture wars. The conservatives have only really got culture wars so liberals end up fighting them on their own terrain.

Just focus on the big three issues of the age...having a patriotic, "everyone do their duty" response to pandemics as if you are Londoners being bombed by the Luftwaffe; supporting the world leading US businesses to grow their environmentally beneficial technology businesses even faster (even to the extent of helping these jobs to renew the rust belt), and having a healthcare system like the much more efficient, cost effective and successful ones they have in Germany, or Australia (yeah those communist countries that have significantly better healthcare outcomes at half the cost of the US system). Stick to issues, avoid trying to make people feel guilty for not having the right identity and then the liberals will never, ever lose. That is unlikely to happen though. They love the culture wars with the rednecks too much. Makes them feel superior.

The one thing that liberals have got going for them is that they haven't had a good leader since Obama. If one emerges like him or Bill Clinton, that would make a big difference. Buttigieg, Kamala, Beto, Abrams... all ok and promising but not yet of the calibre pf Clinton/Obama... but well...we'll see.

 

Yes, although that wouldn't have happened if the GOP hadn't moved left on many issues.

They were mistakes, although to be fair, the Dems had good grounds to believe that they were a lot more popular than the 2020 elections showed them to be.

That's tricky. Liberals do lose a lot of support over culture wars. But if they stopped supporting abortion rights or stopped denouncing police brutality against blacks, that could cost them a lot of voters. Even pulling back support from something like trans rights could alienate the "woke" crowd.

Those three are good. Employment is another big one. Environmentalism is tricky. Protecting the environment is, in the short term, a drain on the economy.

Yes. Liberals have alienated a lot of folk over identity.

Conservatism would evolve until it is competitive again, even if it has to move far left of where it is now.

That's the modern condition among ordinary folk on both sides. So much of the fighting is about personal status and people don't want to give that up.

 

I stopped reading when you called Rep. Crenshaw a coward. There is only one kind.

 

Why not? Well, because you presumably do not want to lose another presidential election by insulting potential voters who are imperfect but who may prefer you to the alternative. I would think that rather obvious. Notice that Biden didn't do that.

And "overall" is too vague. It's just you're impression.

You have to always remember that not everyone, not even college kids, wears "zir" politics on "zir" sleeve. So you don't know what they really value until they vote. (And there's an example of the kind of idea from the left that people are sick of; I hope I didn't use the unwoke version of the possessive pronoun for the non-binary).

 

Okay, fine, social liberals. I don't care. Generalization is risky, not to mention that it overlooks the chance if shifting priorities.

 

Do any of you guys think this election was more of a personality test than anything else?

If so (and maybe this is why the thread was started), then Biden's victory doesn't have any implications at all for 2024. Kamala will be the Dem nominee, and she may or may not be able to defeat a Republican with a better personality (which should not be hard to find -- she has a tendency to burst out laughing hysterically for no reason at all, presumably because she's nervous or anxious ... about something).

 

Yes, but also no.

It was the way his personality degraded his performance, mostly relating to Covid.

Because Whites are a declining percentage, dealing with the resulting increase in Republican cheating is the test.

 

If Democrats nominate another poor candidate like Hillary, and especially if Republicans don't pick a dud like Trump, Democrats are very likely to lose the election. Who do I think would be weak? Sanders, Warren.

Would they vote for a Bible-thumping, homophobic and racist conservative under some circumstances? Some, yes.

 

I sympathize with wage earners, but that trend you cite has been evident since at least 1985. We've had two Republican presidents since then, and neither of the Democrats, Obama or Clinton, did anything I can see to arrest it.

Not that I expect Presidents of either party to correct such things.

 

This past election was likely an example of that. Trump came down on the wrong side of the coronavirus issue.



I think this was the reason Trump lost.

 

Stereotyping every non-democratic voter as racist homophobes is political suicide, but hey, have at it.

 

An example of what? If the response to the virus was the reason Trump lost, then it irrelevant to 2024, by which time covid will likely be in the voters' rear view mirror.

Unless Trump runs again AND gets the nomination. I'm highly skeptical of both.

 

I would remind you the graph includes all employees, not only hourly workers. A lot of everyday folks feel Democrats abandoned them. I think they have.

 

Hillary found out the hard way that's a bad idea.

Why would I "have at it?"

I taught everyday folks--high school students and adults--for more than three decades. If I thought they were racists, I wouldn't have bothered.

 

Maybe Kamala will calm down, but I agree with you about the laugh.

My wife is worried I'll head out to play in traffic if I hear Biden say, "Here's the deal..." one more time.

 

Shifting priorities.

All bets are off if COVID-19 is a big issue in four years. And I don't think Trump will be nominated a second time.

 

Its the impression of anyone who works closely with college students and is supported by research. College students tend to be socially liberal. This is absolutely the case among engineers too (though even more so among other majors). It's even true among college students who are economic conservatives.

 

Joe wants to win the middle class after saying he will end the oil industry and fracking and having another possible shutdown? You have got to be kidding me...

 

And it's based on that subset of students who speak out on political issues. Conservatives, almost by definition, are quiet people. There is a funny video online of some students protesting racism inside a college library. This serious looking Chinese kid comes out of a study room and tells them to shut up: "This is a LIBRARY!" And they did.

Let's stipulate that there are conservatives on campuses who won't open their mouths because they don't want to be doxxed or hounded off of the campus by politically correct maniacs.

The loudest students on college campuses are always, always, at least left of center.

 

I don't know. You earlier asked "why not" (i.e. why not "go there", in terms of repeating HRC's suicidal alienation of millions of voters).

But if you were to do so, it'd be fine by me.

 

We agree on that. And they did either abandon them, take them for granted, or ignored them. But I thought you were anticipating future Democratic victories due to the unequal sharing of the fruits of productivity.

 

He said he would not end fracking and a shutdown is happening anyway to avoid overrunning hospitals.

 

Only if Democrats do something about the problem. As I've said, I don't think they will and stand to lose Big Time if Republicans stop pandering to bigots.

 

I'm personally willing to "go there" because I support do things to expand opportunities for all folks regardless of race, ethnicity, or gender.