The Religion of Atheism

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  1. Kokomojojo

    Kokomojojo Well-Known Member

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    Cannibals never think about eating each other either now do they, that is a patently useless if not ludicrous analogy.
    For one atheists believe the state is the highest authority, and act accordingly.
    Atheists are the ones making the big deal out of it, they are yelping and screaming that atheism is not a religion, why try to blame others for their failures and 'lack' of understanding?
    After all we all know atheists have no conscience and are not conscientious! :deadhorse:
     
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    Reposting what was already debunked is the best you can do? What is your source for such nonsense. If you read Torcaso v Watkins you will find that secular humanism is mentioned only in a footnote which says it is generally considered religion. That is not a court ruling.

    My guess is you have read neither ruling and are just relying on some source you are unwilling to list as a link
     
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    He has a problem, similar to my x-wife, where he has to have the last word, regardless how ridiculous it is.
     
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    CourtJester Well-Known Member

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    No his actual problem is an inability to accept that he is wrong coupled with an inability to demonstrate he is right.

    When cornered he resorts to insults and name calling.
     
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    over 1,000 posts and atheism remains, by definition, not a religion.

    Atheism continues to mean lack of belief in a god or gods.
     
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    So, then why would the soviets work so hard to promote two religions? The one that there is no god, AND the state?

    And, is your belief that the norse gods are not real a religion on the same footing?
     
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  7. Kokomojojo

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    Yes you have been debunked countless times now. I told you several times how the court came to the conclusion and there is nothing more that I can do but give you the information, if you are not capable of understanding it there is nothing I can do.


    And as usual your posts are the laughing stock of the religious section since anyone can take a quick scan of a google search and see for themselves atheists lack far more than belief, seems everyone gets it but you

    Atheist Ireland • View topic - Atheism is a religion in the U.S.A


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    Torcaso v. Watkins - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torcaso_v._Watkins

    Torcaso v. Watkins, 367 U.S. 488 (1961) was a United States Supreme Court case in which the ... Torcaso, an atheist, refused to make such a statement, and his appointment was consequently revoked. Torcaso, believing his ... Watkins the Supreme Court "found" secular humanism to be a religion. This assertion is based on ...

    Background · ‎The Court's decision · ‎Secular humanism as ...

    KAUFMAN v. McCAUGHTRY | FindLaw
    https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-7th-circuit/1467028.html

    The Supreme Court has recognized atheism as equivalent to a “religion for purposes of the First Amendment on numerous occasions, most recently in ...

    Federal Court Ruling Extends Equal Protection Rights To Atheists ...
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    For First Amendment Purposes, Is Atheism a Religion? | Evolution News
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    Aug 23, 2005 - 7 posts - ‎5 authors

    (08/20/2005)
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    Nov 3, 2014 - A federal district court in Oregon has declared Secular Humanism a religion, paving the way for the non-theistic community to obtain the same ...

    Atheism is a religion - Conservapedia
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    Yes you have been debunked countless times now. I told you several times how the court came to the conclusion and there is nothing more that I can do but give you the information, if you are not capable of understanding it there is nothing I can do.



    Unending source of comedy.


    Secular Humanism is a Religion - Vine & Fig Tree
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    It was a struggle to get atheism accepted as a religion, but it happened. ... Secular Humanists and Humanistic courts have admitted that Humanism is a religion. .... Here is the rule: When Secular Humanists want the benefits of religion, Secular ...

    Humanism is a Religion? Why Even “Anti-religion” Humanists Should ...
    https://thehumanist.com/.../humanism-is-a-religion-why-even-anti-religion-humanists-...

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    Federal Court Rules 'Secular Humanism' a Religion, Extends Equal ...
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    Nov 4, 2014 - Federal Court Rules 'Secular Humanism' a Religion, Extends Equal ... Jason Holden, an atheist inmate who is serving time at the Federal ...

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    Attorney: 'Height of Idiocy' for Court to Declare Atheism a Religion By Allie Martin August 23, 2005 (AgapePress) - A federal appeals court has ...

    Secular religions - RationalWiki
    https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Secular_religions

    1 Atheism as a religion; 2 Christian-originated secular religions; 3 Civil ... For example, in 2005 a federal court of appeals ruled in favor of a prison .... However, during Stalin's rule his cult of personality effectively led to a religion in which Stalin ...

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    Dec 31, 2010 - In Response to Court rules atheism a religion by conradsy. Oh my deity!!!! The end of the world must be coming. Atheists have study groups!

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    Nov 26, 2015 - Atheism must be taught as part of religious education lessons in British schools, the High Court has ruled.

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    Apr 13, 2010 - The 7th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals has declared atheism a religion:Atheism is [the inmate's] religion, and the group that he wanted to start ...

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    Sep 13, 2016 - ... protection, as reflected by the courts' recognition that atheism is a religion. ... Title VII's broad definition of religion leads many courts to resolve ... rules because the individual objects on less than credible religious grounds.


    I find it interesting that Neo Atheists make nonstop fools of real atheists by proving its no longer atheism in question its blind denialism demonstrated in every one of their posts!
     
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    I know you keep posting this list from wherever you got it but having actually read Torcaso v Watkins and knowing it never says secular humanism is a religion I think we can dismiss the credability of whatever source provided your list.

    What most of the cases are saying is that for purposes of the first amendment the freedoms granted to religion apply both to religious beliefs and non- religious beliefs. Or for the purposes of the first amendment freedom from religion is treated equally with freedom of religion.

    "At one time it was thought that this right [referring to the right to choose one's own creed] merely proscribed the preference of one Christian sect over another, but would not require equal respect for the conscience of the infidel, the atheist, or the adherent of a non-Christian faith such as Islam or Judaism.   But when the underlying principle has been examined in the crucible of litigation, the Court has unambiguously concluded that the individual freedom of conscience protected by the First Amendment embraces the right to select any religious faith or none at all."

    That was from Kaufman v McCaughty
     
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    Not my problem, you are the one who closes your eyes to anything you dont want to see.
    Its one religion under the state, I never commented on norse gods.

    FALSE!
    DISHONEST!
    UNTRUTH!
    DECEIT!


    I never posted that before ANYWHERE.

    Its the first page of a google search, LMFAO, imagine that! :brainless: :icon_shithappens:

    The running joke in what has now become your comedy show is that you fail to grasp the simple concept that if a court says someone suffocated on H2o and in the footnotes say they water it carries the MEANING that they drowned! Hence they ****ing drowned DUH!!!!!
     
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    Thank you. Now we know you haven't read any of the cases as I suspected. Guess we can now ignore your opinions on the court cases and their relevence to athiesm as a religion.
     
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    Of course I have read it, the difference is that I understand it and have explained it in detail to you but you simply refuse to listen.

    [​IMG]

    Its you have been ignoring not only mine but most of the legal editors and newpaper editors who do in fact understand the meaning of the decisions, so thats supposed to be something new?

    Nothing much I can say when crayolas dont even work.

    After all the whole world has it wrong but the neoatheist socks from PF .
     
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    over 1,000 posts and atheism remains, by definition, not a religion.

    Atheism continues to mean lack of belief in a god or gods.
     
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    Yes over 1000 posts and lack of belief still includes:

    mostly theist,
    moderately theist
    weak theist
    agnostic
    weak atheist
    moderate atheist
    strong atheist
    rocks
    dirt
    piles of :icon_shithappens:
    everybody and everything lacks belief!


    Clearly neo atheism will go down in history as the religion of imbeciles.

    Reverend Dawson head of the atheist church cheers that atheism is finally considered a religion.

    Atheists Score Major Win In Federal Court | Richard Dawkins Foundation
    https://www.richarddawkins.net/2014/11/atheists-score-major-win-in-federal-court/

    A federal district court in Oregon has declared Secular Humanism a religion, paving the way for the non-theistic community to obtain the same legal rights as groups such as Christianity.

    But while some Humanists may chafe at being called a “religion,” others feel that the larger pursuit of equal rights trumps legal classifications.


    Secular Humanists describe themselves as atheists or agnostics.
    Religious Humanism emerged out of Ethical Culture, Unitarianism, and Universalism. Their communities offer a basis for moral values, methods for dealing with life’s problems, and an overall sense of purpose.

    Secular Humanism - Excluding God from Schools & Society
    Secular Humanism is an attempt to function as a civilized society with the exclusion of God and His moral principles. During the last several decades, Humanists have been very successful in propagating their beliefs.
    https://www.allaboutphilosophy.org/what-is-a-humanist-faq.htm


    What is beyond the neo atheist comprehension is that a pile of :icon_shithappens: lacks belief, Neoatheists have classified themselves on the same intelligence level as a pile of :icon_shithappens: and a pile of :icon_shithappens: has no capacity to think.

    Only
    a real live atheist can take a religious position and make the decision to believe no Gods exist.

    yes 1000 posts and still butt hurt and in denial!
     
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    [QUOTE="

    Only
    a real live atheist can take a religious position and make the decision to believe no unicorns exist.

    yes 1000 posts and still butt hurt and in denial![/QUOTE]
     
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    False. You are giving us a single definition of religion. The reality is that religion is ANYTHING that is of overwhelming importance to an individual. Notice below how Collins dictionary defines religion: Keep your eyes on the words that are bolded in blue.

    "Collins
    World English Dictionary
    religion (rɪˈlɪdʒən)

    — n
    1. belief in, worship of, or obedience to a supernatural power or powers considered to be divine or to have control of human destiny
    2. any formal or institutionalized expression of such belief: the Christian religion
    3. the attitude and feeling of one who believes in a transcendent controlling power or powers
    4. chiefly RC Church the way of life determined by the vows of poverty, chastity, and obedience entered upon by monks, friars, and nuns: to enter religion
    5. something of overwhelming importance to a person: football is his religion
    6. archaic
    a. the practice of sacred ritual observances
    b. sacred rites and ceremonies"​

    Alter2Ego
     
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    I think that is a sarcastic term for something of overwhelming importance .
    A Job or hobby could fit into this same description.

    BTW, Collins deals with word "usage", not just their meaning.

    Stick with a normal dictionary. I suggest Websters.
     
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    So, the party itself isn't a religion? In other words, they were targeting the religious only to get rid of religion? It was not to remove competition for belief in the party?
    I know you didn't mention on norse gods. But that's what I'm asking. Is my disbelief in lets say jaweh different than your disbelief in odin?
     
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    You can keep saying that, and you probably even believe it.

    Webster does not

    Definition of religion
    1 a : the state of a religious
    • a nun in her 20th year of religion
    b (1) : the service and worship of God or the supernatural
    (2) : commitment or devotion to religious faith or observance
    2 : a personal set or institutionalized system of religious attitudes, beliefs, and practices
    3 archaic : scrupulous conformity : conscientiousness
    4 : a cause, principle, or system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith
     
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    This definition actually has nothing to do with Atheism, even #4 (which I assume is what you wish to use) does not fit.
     
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    ah yes the famous neoatheist empty bucket trying to convince everyone there is something in it as usual!
    no its not, if you had been paying attention you would realize that its one of the attributes that the supreme court takes into consideration on religious claims!
    and your version differs from Alter2Ego's how exactly?


    Websters:
    Definition of
    religious religious


    1 : relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity


    Its what you neo atheists do 24/7/365/round the clock
     
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    There is actually not one thing in there, no mater how far you stretch it, that can apply to being an atheist.
     
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    could it be that in order for any human to hold any belief whatsoever they must first possess a brain and secondly not be dead or in a coma, it appears you are trying to say atheists have no beliefs about anything what so ever?

    Just think, not one moral belief, totally lack of a moral compass, or conscience!

    That would be mega-lack on steroids!

    over 1,000 posts and atheism remains, by definition, a religion.
     
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    You don't even realize just how stupid your posts are.

    Atheists don't believe in God, that's all.

    Some atheists believe in other things, but that is not what makes them an atheist.
     
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    Then how does that translate to no religion?
     

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