The Science is Settled: Gun Laws Do Not Reduce Violent Crime or Suicides

And I say your representation is false

Want to post something that actually supports your claims?

 

Which is meaningless unless you read the report, until then, you have no basis to indict my statement.

 

I have read it and I stand by what I say

It does not say what you claim it does

 

Your claim you back it

But to be honest we need not go past the title to debunk your claim
“Priorities for research to reduce the threat of firearm violence”

 

Why the resistance to reading the report?

 

Regardless of this report, we now have an excellent lab to really study the effects of gun bans with what is happening in New Zealand. Over the next five years or so, we should be able to measure the effects of what happens. It will be an interesting experiment.

 

2002!,! You are quoting an OPINION piece from 2002!!

Was it the only thing you could find to justify your response?

 

And it will, in all probability mirror what happened in Australia and other nations who have gone down this route

https://aoav.org.uk/2014/us-responses-mass-shootings/

And predictably you will have the NRA screaming that we cannot use NZ as it crime and shooting rate was low to begin with

 

I have read it before! When I debunked you claim last time remember?

 

How many mass shootings were committing in the nation of New Zealand in the years prior to this particular incident?

If the number was zero for an extended number of years, then what exactly can be proven?

 

Is such factually incorrect?

 

I would look at crime in total, not just mass shootings, to be a better indicator. If gun advocates are right - the number of burglaries and violent crime will increase (their argument being that the presence of guns reduces crime).

 

Debunked what claim?
On of the last exchanges we had a bit ago was about children/guns where I posed a question you avoided answering... one by the way that might have educated you and potentially saved a life given your profession.

 

In fact it will have no effect

NZ alike AUS does not have a lot of armed robberies now, and those are mostly soft targets like petrol stations

 

But the gun advocate would say that the reason New Zealand's crime rate has been so low is because the populace was armed. If they are right, the amount of crime will increase.

 

This happened several times since the report was published and each time you were debunked

 

Currently I am reviewing this site

https://aoav.org.uk/2014/mass-shootings-context-and-conclusions/

Which reviews the “15 mass shootings that changed the law”

 

Prove I was debunked by you regarding statements made about the report. Please share the thread and post number.

 

Meaning that ultimately nothing of significance will change. Until the next mass shooting is committed by another terrorist with the same ideals, and the nation of New Zealand is then frightened into prohibiting all handguns in accordance to the wishes of the future terrorist in question.

 

When will you ever learn?

THE GUARDIAN, London gun crime rises as shootings nearly double, By Sandra Laville, Last modified on Friday 8 January 2016, 21.47 EST.
http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2009/nov/03/london-gun-crime-shootings-rise

The 2002 article showed that gun crime soared 6 years after the gun ban was imposed. How is it ever possible for gun crime to soar after guns are banned?
Note that in 2009, 13 years after the gun ban gun crime doubled again. Now think about that for a while.

 

2002 was a bad year and an out-lier on averages. Between 1990 and 2003, London averaged 173 Homicides per year. But between 2004 and 2014, that rate dropped pretty steadily towards 100. It has since gone up - but is still below the old average.

Gun crime rates in London in 2002 were 5.9 per 10,000. In 2009, they were 4.4 per 10,000. Using 2002 is more than a bit disingenuous, it far out-paced any year since.

 

That experiment has been done already.

"Chris, a stocky but affable thirty-something South
Londoner recently retired from a career in armed robbery,
comes bounding back from the bar with a cheeky grin on
his face. 'It'll be about 20 minutes,' he says. 'Less time than
it takes to deliver a pizza and plenty of time for another
drink. Same again?'

We are sitting behind a busy pool table in the dingy annexe of
a pub on the outskirts of Catford which, according to Chris, is
one of the easiest places in the capital to buy an illegal gun. ...

Few will be surprised that the number of illegal guns used on
the streets of London is currently at an all-time high, with at
least two shootings and four armed robberies every day since
the start of the year...."
THIS IS LONDON, By Danny Brown, 2/28/02.
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/dynam...?in_review_id=509803&in_review_text_id=473066

 

2000 was also a very bad year.

"The rise in violent crime, which includes attacks, sex offences and robbery, is the largest since 1995/1996, when attacks increased by 10%." BBC, 1/18/00, "Straw under fire on Crime."

There have been a lot of very bad years since the Gun Ban.

“Gun crime has increased five-fold in some parts of the UK”

“In some parts of the country, the number of offences has increased more than five-fold.”

“The statistic will fuel fears that the police are struggling to contain gang-related violence, in which the carrying of a firearm has become increasingly common place.”

The latest UK solution: “Last week, police in London revealed they had begun carrying out armed patrols on some streets. The move means officers armed with **SUB MACHINE GUNS** are engaged in routine policing for the first time.”
By JAMES SLACK FOR THE DAILY MAIL,“Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade,” 27 October 2009.(** emphasis mine
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1223193/Culture-violence-Gun-crime-goes-89-decade.html

 

Disarmed human beings are bait for criminal predators.

"A surge in muggings, assaults, thefts, and frauds, has fuelled the first crime rise in England and Wales for six years, police figures revealed yesterday. ... Worryingly, violent crimes, which make up about one-tenth of the offences recorded each year, are on the rise again, up by 5 per cent. ... Fred Broughton, chairman of the Police Federation of England and Wales, said the figures were alarming. Jason Bennetto, Crime Correspondent, "Crime rates soar as Straw calls for police to resume stop-and-search," The Independent, 1/19/00.

 

The only thing that can stop a shooter is return fire.