The Shroud of Turin...what do you think about it?

Evidence supports the fact that the supposedly Shroud of Turin dates back 2,000 years. Now before you go off half cocked....read and comprehend the information. The carbon 14 data back in the 80's was compromised.

https://www.tfp.org/carbon-14-dating.../?pkg=TFP22212

 

Yes, dating is a serious field of study that is improving all the time.

Also, carbon-14 is only one of many methods that depends on radioactive decay.

When using any of them, care has to be taken concerning the type of material, its environment, its likely age, etc. So, care has to be taken in picking dating methods. Plus any valid dating effort would consider multiple methods, looking for confirmation.

Pointing to failures decades ago is not a valid argument that today's methods are a failure.

 

I think I was clear that what happened in the 80's is not necessarily relevant to TODAY.

Once again, dating has progressed over the last 40 years

 

You still don't know the difference between faith and facts, or how some facts can support faith. It's only been explained a number of time. What's holding you back? Where are you going wrong?

 

1. Look up letter of Gamaliel - Roman Centurion who went to investigate whether this Jesus guy was forming a little militia to go against Rome. He wrote back to his superiors that he didn't think so.

2. "Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering" (WAXS).
https://aleteia.org/2022/04/22/new-technology-suggests-shroud-of-turin-is-2000-years-old/

dating method more accurate than the previous ones.

This is a cartoonish belief. What are "they in control of" these days? Can "they" force you to do anything? Silly conspiracy theory.

And what does Christianity tell people to expect? I'm interested in your take.

Buddhism is Hinduism light. I'm surprised you don't know this. They both are pantheistic in nature. Self worship.
So whatever experience you had, likely explained by neuroscience was not necessarily inspired by your meditative practices, if that's what brought it about. Just as many spiritual experiences have been had by those in the monotheistic practices. What does it prove? I'll tell you what it proves after you think about it for a bit.

 

Yep, this one is more accurate than the one done on the shroud previously.

"Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering" (WAXS).
https://aleteia.org/2022/04/22/new-technology-suggests-shroud-of-turin-is-2000-years-old/

 

My comments weren't that general.

The topic is the shroud. I was told on this site that the reason that the shroud shows an image of the face of Jesus after only 3 days is that a miracle happened.

When facts don't line up it's obvious that one can always step in with a miracle.

I don't believe that declaring a miracle creates a fact.

 

Then what caused the image?

 

Fake, as everyone with any brains knows very well.

 

What caused the image?

 

An Intense and brief pulse of nuclear energy. It can be duplicated in lab (CERN) conditions on a very small scale. The burst left billions of data points which can be read in a fashion similar to LIDAR .. a 3D representation of the man in the shroud..a one off artifact... (well that the the matching face clothe) ..

anyone with brains can start to understand that science has scant explanations for supernatural events.

 

I think there are reports of shrouds becoming impregnated with material from the face after significant time periods.

 

That's true, and the shroud of Turin may have been caused by some not yet known process. But, my understanding is no human body substances can be found to have caused the image. Right now it remains a matter of faith. I haven't made a decision on it's verifiability, but my Christian belief doesn't depend on relics anyway.

 

Yes - I've pointed that out, too.

Christianity does not depend on that shroud in any way.

 

Yet it does have traces of plant pollen from the 1st century Palestine.. including from some species specific to Jerusalem.. wierd ..huh?

 

You still haven't presented any facts, at all. Just your opinion vs other's faith. You're a silly fella and a shitty troll.

 

The latest theory in response to the newest and most accurate dating method:
"Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering" (WAXS).
https://aleteia.org/2022/04/22/new-technology-suggests-shroud-of-turin-is-2000-years-old/

supports the idea of a resurrection, and ascension. The idea was that a flash of light 1.900,000,000,000's of a second imprinted the image. For those with faith that Christ's body was literally sent to hell, back to heaven and was finally resurrected, this new evidence from the dating method adds to their faith. For those like WillReadMore that isn't wellread at all, a troll, the need to pretend it's not a fact (the resurrection, like Duh) is nothing more than a distraction from what I just clearly laid out.

The dating method supports the faith, to the faithful, of a resurrection which is one of the key cornerstones of the Christian >faith<

Expect WillReadMore to come back with the same silly argument "But a cloth doesn't confirm a resurrection as fact!"

He doesn't understand the terms facts and faith very well.

 

The dating method supports this theory
"Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering" (WAXS).
https://aleteia.org/2022/04/22/new-technology-suggests-shroud-of-turin-is-2000-years-old/

 

There's no evidence of bacterial impregnation at all. So you're wrong again. Change your name to: ShouldReadMore

 

I am just completely astonished that we, 2000 years later, have a major artifact, that speaks of an amazing event that only now can we inspect with our latest science. I don't know what more evidence one needs (besides the awesome number of scientific revelations of the last 50 years confirming the Bible and and Intelligent Design.)

I think one problem with people in general is they are as apt to worship the burial shroud, rather than of the Creator Incarnate, Jesus, Yeshua, Lion of Judah, Lord of Lord, King of Kings, who has dominion over the entirety of universes. Think about all we know and then try to imagine the Being responsible for it.. it is almost beyond our comprehension.. even with the user's guide we were given.

 

I didn't say anything about bacteria.

 

That applies to your impregnation with "materials from the face" too. What materials are you talking about? Sweat, skin, blood and of course the strains of bacteria we all have on our skin. Either way, none of it happened, so you're wrong.

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You don't have evidence that I have "gone wrong".

So, your question isn't meaningful.

 

I'm saying that there is an image on a piece of cloth.

If that image were transferred from a dead human face, it would have taken more than 3 days to make an imprint that would last 2000 years.

The answer I got when I proposed that was that there was a miracle (or miracles) involved.

 

WillReadmore, you are a poor liar, or very dumb. Neither is flattering.

If the latter, you need to read more, and read better, or have someone explain the previous postings to you. In particular
"Wide-Angle X-ray Scattering" (WAXS).
https://aleteia.org/2022/04/22/new-technology-suggests-shroud-of-turin-is-2000-years-old/

All of that was already explained, and the explanation had scientific backing. Digging your heels in whilst having your head buried in the sand, as impressive as that posture is, is still a monstrous fail.