The Syrian, Syrian Solution.

Six weeks ago, a two-man delegation arrived in secret in Damascus: civilians from Aleppo who represented elements of the Free Syrian Army, the rebel group largely composed of fighters who deserted the regime’s army in the first year of the war. They came under a guarantee of safety, and met, so I am told, a senior official on the staff of President Bashar al-Assad. And they carried with them an extraordinary initiative – that there might be talks between the government and FSA officers who “believed in a Syrian solution” to the war.
The delegation made four points: that there must be an “internal Syrian dialogue”; that private and public properties must be maintained; that there must be an end to – and condemnation of – civil, sectarian, ethnic strife; and that all must work for a democratic Syria where the supremacy of law would be dominant. There was no demand – at least at this stage – for Assad’s departure.

The reply apparently came promptly. There should indeed be “a dialogue within the Syrian homeland”; no preconditions for the dialogue; and a presidential guarantee of safety for any FSA men participating. And now, it seems, another remarkable development is under way: in seven rebel-held areas of Aleppo, most of them under the control of the FSA, civil employees can return to work in their offices, and government institutions and schools can reopen. Students who have become militiamen over the past two years will be disarmed and return to their classrooms.

Some members of the FSA have formed what they call the “National Union for Saving Syria”, although members of the political opposition in areas outside government control disrupted meetings by condemning the government army and, according to those involved in the “Union”, making sectarian comments and condemning Shiites and Iran. Last week there were several defections of FSA units to the al-Qa’ida-linked al-Nusra Front, which has complicated matters still further. If the FSA is prepared to talk to the regime, how many are now left to take part in future agreements between the two sides?

For months now, pro-regime officials have explored how they might win the army defectors back to their side – and the growth of al-Nusra and other Islamist groups has certainly disillusioned many thousands of FSA men who feel that their own revolution against the government has been stolen from them. And in areas of Homs province, it is a fact that fighting between the FSA and the army has virtually ceased. In some government-held villages and towns the FSA are already present without being molested.

http://www.independent.co.uk/voices...g-talks-with-assads-senior-staff-8847615.html

 

Problem is that 95% of the opposition groups do not obey the FSA and will not accept any cease fire. I have been saying that for months that FSA exists only as a way to get the peoples attention in the West. On the ground they are absolutely nothing. On top of that some FSA groups have openly fought on the side of Al-Qaeda, including the takeover of a border post in Deraa province on the border with Jordan. If FSA head says lets have a cease fire, not only will the Islamists not listen, neither will the rebels in the FSA itself. They will simply pledge allegience to Al Nusra as they had done in Aleppo and Ar-Raqqah.

 

It will do one thing though, it will give legitimacy to Assad and take it away from the rebels. I realise that doesn't help those on the ground but the 'rebels' will loose Western sympathy, as far as the public is concerned, not of course the warmongering Govs.

I suppose the danger now will be that Obomba will want to bomb the rebels ..........

 

There needs to be an international coalition to help Syria against the Al-Qaeda Jihadis. It is amazing how USA claims its against Al-Qaeda and then pretends it doesnt notice that Al-Qaeda is carving out a huge state in Northern Syria. USA and Russia can unite on Syria and force the opposition to negotiate. Jihadis will not agree, and there needs to be use of force against them, a UN force can carry out airstrikes against jihadis.

 

Wasn't it Al Qaeda that took down Kadaffi? And how can USA make any money being on Assad's side? Russia is already in there selling arms. If USA wants to make money selling arms, who would buy their stuff other than Al Qaeda? And you should know by now that there is no profit in air strikes. The money is in putting small arms in the hands of the indigenous population and letting them fight it out amongst themselves. Or are you suggesting USA should do this with taxpayer dollars just for the fun of it? What's in it for USA taxpayers?

 

Yes.
There are too many foreigners fighting in Syria and as long as their presence continues, a
Syrian solution to Syria is less likely to happen.

Solution:
All Foreign combatants are given until say, November 1, 2013 to leave Syria or
if should they be identified as foreign combatants after that time;
they will be regarded as spies and quickly shot with JiHawg ammunition.
"JiHawg Ammo line is coated with pork-laced paint which the company says "will keep a Muslim who's shot with one of the bullets from entering paradise." "
http://now.msn.com/jihawg-ammo-pork-infused-bullets-sold-by-idaho-company-to-send-muslim-terrorists-to-hell
If they are such Islamist, getting shot with a JiHawg bullet would really, really hurt more then a normal bullet.
But, I suspect they are just another mafia using Islam as a front for criminal activity.



Moi

 

See the red script.

That will never happen.

Obama has chosen to follow, no expand the line of the Bush administration and push back against anything Russian.

Obama cannot be seen now to be in alliance with Obama on any international file from the middle east to Arctic sovereignty.

He took a shellacking on Syria in the latest go around and so, from the standpoint of the Hyperpower US, they can let the Al-Qaeda connection slide, at least for now. The issue of arming terrorists is barely on the domestic radar. Hell, there's people posting in here claim there is NO Al-Qaeda involvement in Syria, or that it hasn't been proven...

Obama needs the continuing war on terror too much too show any weakness now, he's way out on a limb with the international community, doctors without borders, amnesty international that if he backs up he's finished at home and certainly on the world stage. He's up against a sly and clever opponent; Putin has not survived the horrors of Russian politics this long without knowing what's what.

And, frankly, the US doesn't mind that new terrorists are being made. The US public has already been brainwashed into accepting the idea that you'll be in Afghanistan another 20 years, and Pakistan likely as well.

And then there's the neo-American philosophy of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend." Considering that Al-Qaeda is fighting the friends of Russia.....he's more than happy to give them anything they want so long as he comes out looking like the longer penis in the end.

It ain't about life and death..it's about politics.

 

I think all of you ought to get together and write a novel. You really collaborate quite well. You do still haven an overall problem of believability but that's why they call it fiction

 

Let's be fair, anything that involves Obama has a huge issue regarding believability.

 

That is true when it comes to foreign policy. I really think he should've delivered that strike when he threatened to use it.

 

A golden opportunity was missed by Obama as he should have taken his own red line and then brought the US to Syria in force with Presidential authority to carry out an attack to take out the regime and replace it. Then, in secret, offer Assad aid in overcoming the FSA providing he carried out his own regime change complete with democratic elections and non represson or retaliation against the rebels as well as accounting and dismantling his CW under US and UN inspection and dismantling teams. The negotiations with the legitimate FSA would have gone smoothly and if not, the US could actually aid Assad in this case.

He didn't and instead, we have a dictator with more power than he has had in years with more to come. Any CWs not in his hands are now in the hands of rebels and some will be proliferated to terrorists the world over. With overwhelming force at his disposal Obama failed.

 

Establish a government that is of the people,by the people, and for the people,
never an Assad government,
then there will be peace in Syria.

 

A ceasefire would be a good start .
As hard as it sounds i think nobody should help Syria , they must get rid of the jihadists themselves as a way of understanding that armed conflict is the worst possible solution .

 

A reverse defection is built on the notion that Assad can be trusted.

How on earth could anybody trust Assad?

Better for the non-jihadi FSA to simply purge the jihadis in a Syrian "Night of the Long Knives."

The hypocrisy is that Assad will remain a Russo-Iranian stooge.

 

A majority of Syrians seem to trust him.

When did a US President last get 75% of the vote in an election?

Perhaps the Syrian people know Assad better than you do...

 

This creates what I see as a very helpful possibility. Should this contingent of the FSA partner with the Syrian Government, it could very well sway opinion toward Assad and stabilize what is universally agreed to be a very bad situation. Though many here see Assad and his regime as bad guys and evil monsters...it is important to review the alternative, and one can only imagine the results of that.

 

The first important step is to stop the fighting and enter negotiations , after an agreement is achieved they can focusing in exterminating the jidadists and make an independent committee to investigate crimes .

 

The last thing Syria needs are air strikes ............they fire bomb and don't care where the bombs land. Dresden left 135.000 dead in 2 hours 70 years ago, God knows what they did to Libya 70 years later. Nah never ask for their bombs Syrian girl not if you want a Syria

Americans seem to be being told by their Main stream that the only foreign fighters in Syria are Iranians and Hezbollah .......................... dunno what you can say to that one really?!

 

The "95% of rebels are not FSA " statement is simply not true, SG, as multiple fairly neutral sources have said otherwise (including the FIS/FSB in Russia). Reading between the lines, this does indeed show an Islamist influence, but on the FSA which sees the Syria they wanted to bring into being disappearing as their cause is gradually usurped by extremists (especially as the moderates can't organize a united group).

My bet is that Assad will read this as weakness in the rebels and will give them the diplomatic kiss-off and will instead prosecute the war until the bitter end. You should hope that this moment isn't one you will later regret having let slipped through the fingers of the Syrian government.

 

What a master plan. And now would you please give us an example of the government that is of the people, by the people and for the people...

 

The Nordic countries ?

 

Assad's tyranny in no way resembles the Nordic countries.

 

Show me sources which says majority of rebels are part of the FSA. If you are able to provide a legitimate source, I will never raise this issue ever again. Show me which FSA groups control what cities and territories. Show me the name of the individual battalions which make up the "FSA".

 

55 FSA rebels from Northern Storm Brigade have surrendered to Kurdish YPG and have volunteered to fight Al-Qaeda as part of the YPG.

 

Syria seems pretty diverse to me.. with Christians, Druze, Sunni, Shia and Alawites. And, they are pretty hip.. so why is it they haven't surmounted their differences?